"TEAM ORDER" SAGA

The FIA is going to investigate the suspect team orders that the McLaren team imposed on its drivers in yesterday's Monaco Grand Prix. Ron Dennis has already stated that the decision was made 'in advance' that Alonso would win.
The FIA believes the team might have breached the International Sporting Code that says team orders, which influence the outcome of a race, are forbidden. The specific law concerning team orders was introduced after the 2002 Austrian Grand Prix when Rubens Barrichello was forced by Ferrari to let Michael Schumacher go past to take victory. If McLaren is found guilty of breaking this rule, the team can be punished.

After the first round of pitstops, Alonso and team-mate Lewis Hamilton, who was still in contention to challenge for the lead, were told to hold their positions to secure the comfortable one-two that the McLaren duo were enjoying. Hamilton's one-stop strategy was then reverted to a two-stop strategy, similar to that of Alonso's.

The sport's governing body is now set to investigate the situation amid widespread criticism from the British media that Hamilton was prevented from challenging for a dream maiden victory and that the sport's reputation has been tarnished.

The FIA statement said: "The FIA has launched an investigation into incidents involving the McLaren Mercedes team at the 2007 Monaco Grand Prix in light of a possible breach of the International Sporting Code.

"The relevant evidence is under review and a further announcement will be made in due course."
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this is from f1racing websire and u can find it any other f1 website.. another team order saga are launched now it's great if they got punish this may bring
kimi to championship battle faster then when thought, but i think if the FIA
will punish them it will be in team side i mean maybe removin some points from mclaren but not from there drivers... for me it great to see that to bring kimi
and the ferrari back to championship race but that is not mean that i am against
team order i like team order that may look weird to u but i think it's a team sport and if i am mangaing a team i will do it i am sure u all will disagree with me about this but this how i see it..... but this time i hope if they got punished.


speed freak

Come on, what a load of crap. Every team does this, it makes sense! Especially at a circuit like Monaco. They were a minute ahead of 3rd place, why would you force 2 team mates to fight it out and potentially take each other out. Total madness.

I've seen nothing special in these facts...

Trido Wrote:
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> Come on, what a load of crap. Every team does
> this, it makes sense! Especially at a circuit like
> Monaco. They were a minute ahead of 3rd place,
> why would you force 2 team mates to fight it out
> and potentially take each other out. Total
> madness.

Exactly. What team boss is gonna go "Ooh. We're at Monaco. It's the most difficult track to overtake at... But we're miles ahead of 3rd. Aw heck. Lewis... Fernando. Fight it out. "



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Its most likely a media beat-up over a throwaway comment by Ron Dennis and the mere possibility the FIA may investigate the incident. I fully expect to find McLaren aquitted because they did nothing untoward. Fair enough if they blatently swapped positions a few metres from the finish, but nothing like that happened. You can't penalise McLaren for telling their drivers to 'go easy'. Ferrari told Kimi to back off in Melbourne. That's team orders, so if McLaren are penalised, then I fully expect to see Ferrari done as well - and every other team in the pitlane!

The rule was put in place to prevent any direct manipulation of the outcome of the race. McLaren did not do this.

Alonso-Hamilton + British press, this is not going to have a nice end... I bet Alonso will leave McLaren sooner than later

The latest soundbytes suggest that McLaren aren't being investigated for team orders, but for bringing the sport into disrepute throug comments made by Ron Dennis AFTER the race. So it seems as though the FIA can say nothing against the race itself - nor the team. It's likely to be either a slap on the wrists or a fine for Ron personally.

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Ali Wrote:
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> Alonso-Hamilton + British press, this is not going
> to have a nice end... I bet Alonso will leave
> McLaren sooner than later

And go where? Nah, he's at McLaren long term and seems to be fitting in nicely. I doubt Hamilton-mania is affecting him too much. It'd be Lewis who? in Spain...

At least Ron was honest and did not say "the breaks were going".

Lewis said he hit the wall about 5 or 6 times, he is lucky the car did not break.

I think Ron made the right choice for a 1-2.

The drivers were not swapped around it was fair to me. Even if lewis had stayed out 5 more laps he would not have passed alonso as there was traffic ahead of him and alonso 1st lap after the pit stop was only a bit slower than lewis.

As i said in the other post Japan last year massa moved over for MS, nothing was said.

China last year fissi tried to hold up MS and not pass alonso nothing was said.

Ron was honest and this happens.

The after race talk is making up for a crap monaco GP were nothing happened.

Yes, the problem is that this is a precedent. We have seen plenty of races like this when Ferrari was 1-2 in 2004 or 2006...

By the way,
Lewis is starting to behave like a spoiled child. He did a great qualifying, but he was not faster than Alonso in race. Alonso was very fast after the pit stop so I don't think he could have got anything with those extra laps he said he had. If he was to a 1 stop, he would have done 45 laps with the same amount of fuel and with extra soft tires. I think Alonso would have got enough space for the second pit stop... Lewis couldn't win.

And how is Lewis acting like a spoilt child?



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How is this team orders, I mean it wasn't like Lewis moved over for Fernando, it was called COMMON SENSE.

marcl Wrote:
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> The after race talk is making up for a crap monaco
> GP were nothing happened.


Good point lol Unfortunately the press didnt really have too many stories to write home about, concerning the Grand Prix itself

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jbnd05 Wrote:
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> How is this team orders, I mean it wasn't like
> Lewis moved over for Fernando, it was called
> COMMON SENSE.


Well, when a TEAM gives an ORDER to it's drivers during a race that's TEAM ORDERS.
The preferred method (as Ferrari discovered in Austria) is to have the drivers work all this out BEFORE the race. In that situation there is no TEAM ORDER, simply an AGREEMENT between the drivers.

Now, team orders and driver agreements have been part of F1 since the beginning. There's nothing wrong with it, and I strongly hope that there is no penalty for McLaren. Hamilton and Ron just have to watch their comments after a race to avoid making it sound as if the team played a direct hand in deciding the outcome of the race. WE all know there was no way Lewis was getting past Alonso, but McLaren gave the press exactly what they were looking for with the post race comments.

That is about equal to my two cents, I believe.

i don't know what are u talking about guys u have to know the fact before u
judge Hamilton was on one stop strategy and the team change it to a two stop
strategy to let alonso keep his lead for the race then lead the championship
as mean they don't count much on Hamilton to win this championship or unless
to make it hard for alonso... that is the problem they changed the strategy
for Hamilton and if they don't he would win the monaco gp i agree that the race
was suck but this is a fact... today's morning ecclestone confirm that mclaren
team could be excluded from the championship i think this is harsh..

if u want to compare it to schumacher 02 aus u should know there was no rule
about team order in that time and about fisichella blocking schumi last year
it was for a race position so they can't punishe him for that..

so the main problem is changing Hamilton strategy that may let him win his
first race and confirm his championship lead... and second is telling them to
hold there position then confirming after the race they u used the team order
so i think they should punished for that but not by excluded from the
championship they can punishe mclaren as a team not there drivers


speed freak

So assadof1 in your opinion if a team wants to change rheir strategy during the race they should be penalized.

Imagine if the safety car is deployed after Alonso made the 1st pit stop. Lewis Hamilton with the new rules had to do a entire lap behind the safety car and then pit with all the other cars few seconds behind and because a lot of cars pitted before, Hamilton had lost a lot of positions. This way he keep the 2nd position even if the safety car was deployed.

So if a safety car was deployed, Hamilton had lost a lot of positions and then the totally biased English Press had crushed Ron Dennis for not making the change of the strategy to assure a 1-2.

Ron Dennis did what every team manager do. Maybe Ferrari should be penalized because Massa confessed that Ferrari told him to slow the pace because the McLaren's were out of reach. Maybe if he pushed harder...

Come on...

Problem is Ron admitted that he had some team orders for this race, most other teams probably do the same but don't admit it, he should have said nothing to the press about it imo.

"And how is Lewis acting like a spoilt child?"

This is a story i found on PlanetF1:


Lewis Hamilton reportedly ranted and raved over the McLaren team radio after being told to hold station behind team-mate Fernando Alonso during Sunday's Monaco GP and only agreed to slow down after the personal intervention of Ron Dennis.


The admission of the McLaren team principal that he had asked his drivers to 'cool it' has prompted the FIA to launch an investigation into their victory for a "possible breach of the International Sporting Code."


According to The Daily Mail, Hamilton 'vented his frustration' at being denied the opportunity to push for victory 'by ranting at his race engineer Phil Prew.'


'Dennis was forced to step in over the in-car radio and speak to his protege directly,' the newspaper claims. 'It was only then that rookie Hamilton, who made his views clear with several high-speed laps, finally relented and abided by his boss's demand that he should settle for second place.'


"Lewis was very angry. He turned the air blue when he was told to take it easy," a 'paddock insider' claimed.


I don't know if this is true but his comments on being a "number 2 driver" show that he must have been pissed off after the race, not sure if this is him acting like a spoilt child though.

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OH......MY....... GOD
am i the only one who is seeing how f***ing redicules this is
of all what Ferrari has done since the team order ban in 2002 tell now,and they see this,and F***ing eccelstone says that they should be punished hard
WTF

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HakkF1 Wrote:
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> OH......MY....... GOD
> am i the only one who is seeing how f***ing
> redicules this is?

No, your not.

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Bernie is saying mclaren should get a worse fine than ferrari got in 2002 and they could be thrown out the championship.

Ron should have kept his big mouth shut this time.

But what mclaren done was nothing like what ferrari done, they moved cars over mclaren did not.

I think ron has been misunderstood anyway. Teams can tell drivers to slow down and hold positions, its monaco after all even kimi could not get past Wurz with a car advantage, mansell could not get past senna in 1992.

Bernie and the FIA have lost the plot.

Ron has made it clear why they changed lewis race.

I think the worse thing that will happen is mclaren will lose points but the drivers will keep theirs. But I dont think anything will happen its just people wanting to get F1 in the news as its been so boring this year with no over taking no racing.

If anyone is gulity for doing damage to the sport its the FIA due to this rev limit engine no one can pass.

Lewis had his chance to win at the start of the race and leading up to the 1st pit stop. He was to far behind alonso and as I said alonso pitted and was only a tiny bit slower so even had lewis stayed out 10 more laps he would not have stayed infront of alonso and plus traffic, lewis has about to hit traffic before his pit stop.

And we all saw how slow massa was on the super soft tyres lewis would have had to do half a race on them.

The FIA come down hard on this yet let illegal cars keep points makes you laugh.



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