KIMI driving style

i read the subject about hamilton (Lewis Hamilton the "real deal" and i kept
asking my self the same question about kimi moving to ferrari i am a big fan for
kimi after schumacher retirement and i like to see him win the title more then
seeing massa doing it....... he is fast no doubt about it but does his kind of
driving style what broke his car most of the time ... even that we didn't hear
any complaining from ferrari or mclaren when he was driving for them... i know
it's to earlier to judge his performance with ferrari even that he is doing
great at the moment.... it's sad to see massa on the spot light rather then kimi
at the moment but where is the problem?

and hay don't start throwing stuff on me coz of this (to kimi fan) coz i am one
of u guys o_0
go kimi....


speed freak

What can he do to damage his car? He drivers over the kerbs like any other driver, his throttle input is all electronically controlled so he can't even be heavy there either.

I just think he was unlucky at Barcelona. He isn't the only McLaren driver to be riddled with problems. Even Coulthard had his fair share of problems in his McLaren days and he is seen to be a smooth driver.

Kimi drivers very much like Schumacher, likes a pointy front and doesn't mind the rear getting a little loose to give him that. Hamilton also has a similar style.


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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/19/2007 02:38AM by keiran.

I think he isnt 100% adapted to the car, hes obviously a very fast driver and Im sure he will find his way to winning many more races this year.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/19/2007 03:13PM by RonnyF1.

Before this race kimi was leading the championship wasn't he?

He was tipped widespread as the Champion.

He is the first of the title condenders to slip up, actually no Massa was, and suddenly people are worried?

Crazy, Kimi is just fine. You wait.


Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it

no problems with Kimi's driving style - he's a very smooth driver unlike Massa who thrashes the car around. He just had one instance of car failure - it wont happen very often this year

James Wrote:
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> no problems with Kimi's driving style - he's a
> very smooth driver unlike Massa who thrashes the
> car around. He just had one instance of car
> failure - it wont happen very often this year


This isn't 2004-2005 anymore, have you noticed how smooth Massa is now?

Looking back, I think the problems Kimi is having right now, are very similar to what JPM had back in 2005. Both drivers aren't known for being big on development, so it'll take a bit longer for him to really get it on. Only difference, is that Kimi had a very good start this year so far, with the exception of Barcelona. Maybe we'll see him doing very well at Monaco again...Australia is also high downforce, and Kimi seemed to be the fastest man back then...maybe we'll see it again next weekend.

I read by the end of last year that Martin Witmarsh said Kimi sometimes drives the car too hard, i know, it's electronically controlled, but hey, some computers lock when loading too many stuff, imo it doesn't matter how many electrical aids those car has to prevent failures, some drives seem to drive harder than other, Rubens in Ferrari, Sato at Honda, Kimi at Macca, even thou that car was not the most reliable one, it failed more on Kimi's hand than it did on Juan, for some reason i see Kimi driving this year more smooth, and is only been 1 failure, but the've been unreliable since last year, Japan, Brazil, Oz, and now Spain, i hope he finishes in monaco cuz i think he's going for that win, but only time will tell if he's the one to blame for all the failures because of his driving style

The punctuation bunnies will have your ass for that first post.

Anyway, Kimi doesn't have a very interesting driving style when you're watching on TV. I know a lot of people say he has a style like MS, but there's no actual proof of that because the onboard shots don't show anything up. Some drivers have visibly unique driving styles (Alonso!) but Kimi just doesn't seem to be doing anything out of the ordinary. He's very quick about it, but I don't think that's his "driving style".

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@ Locke Cole: Sorry, but I can only argue with that. First of all, Kimi drove spectacular from his debut on where he showed no respect what so ever to his more experienced rivals. His cool attitude has in fact become his trademark throughout his career. Why else does Ron Dennis call him 'the Iceman'? His driving style is his own and so far he's always been fast in everything he's driving. Simply just a natural talent. (Who mentioned he drives like Schummi??? Come on... Schummi never was a sport, where Kimi let's a rival live... This gives great battles as on Hockenheim with Montoya for only one example.) The fact that you don't see him doing anything special only says something about your own judgement. His laptimes are telling a different tale. How to be faster as one other? When not taking differences in set up in account it's simple, right? You brake later while holding the same cornerspeed or you step on the gas earlier. The fractions of seconds which one gains every corner aren't alwys very noticable. (Though I still remind him taking Eau Rouge a whole lot faster as his former teammate Couldthard at McLaren...)

Anyway. It's always nice to judge while standing on the side. I simply enjoy every race so far and am still looking forward to everything this season will bring.

Enjoy!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/19/2007 10:30AM by Marc B Good.

"Some drivers have visibly unique driving styles (Alonso!) but Kimi just doesn't seem to be doing anything out of the ordinary. He's very quick about it, but I don't think that's his "driving style"."

Alonso has changed his driving style to suit the Mclaren. If you see on board shots this year he doesn't hurl the car into the corners like he used to because the Mclaren doesn't have inherent understeer like the Renault did last year.
He is acclimatising, just like Kimi is acclimatising, to a new team and a different type of tyres which can be difficult to adapt if you have been used to what they had for several years.

Also i don't buy the Kimi being a car breaker theory, he has never been a rough driver, though he has pushed the limit at times, but he has had a lot of bad luck in his career.

Slash Wrote:
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> I read by the end of last year that Martin
> Witmarsh said Kimi sometimes drives the car too
> hard, i know, it's electronically controlled, but
> hey, some computers lock when loading too many
> stuff, imo it doesn't matter how many electrical
> aids those car has to prevent failures, some
> drives seem to drive harder than other, Rubens in
> Ferrari, Sato at Honda, Kimi at Macca, even thou
> that car was not the most reliable one, it failed
> more on Kimi's hand than it did on Juan, for some
> reason i see Kimi driving this year more smooth,
> and is only been 1 failure, but the've been
> unreliable since last year, Japan, Brazil, Oz, and
> now Spain, i hope he finishes in monaco cuz i
> think he's going for that win, but only time will
> tell if he's the one to blame for all the failures
> because of his driving style

I've never seen Kimi be any rougher with the car than Juan, he just didn't have any luck. Can you explain why Coulthard had similar failures at his years in McLaren, a driver who is known to be very smooth...

I'm watching onboards of this year and last year and seeing very little difference in the way Kimi is driving...

What does a computer locking under stress have to do with this? They are hardly going to fit electronics onboard the car without the power to run them comfortably... What I'm saying is these days the only way a driver can be hard on the car is by hitting kerbs very hard and going off the road. Throttle maps and traction control means the throttle output is never linear so the drivetrain can only be stressed with excessive kerb riding.


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thats very true, also many F1 engineeres have said over the last seasons that with so much electronics in the cars, its impossible for a driver to "break" the car...

the only race i noticed kimi thrashing the car was monza 05 that was when he hat the delmatinated tire
and he basically just skipped the kurb.


lol oh yeh ive noticed lewis's backend is always slipping , im assuming he likes the car like that

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Minus JPMs Aus 06 incident, where he basically turned the car off, I bet in the last 5 years no-one can recall an retirement in which the driver 'broke' the car. And I dont mean crashes.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

Yeah, Juan was really trashing the car in aus 06.

Anyways... how are drivers supposed to win races if they dont push the car? like I said before, ITS F1, you arent supposed to cruise around. F1 cars should (and I think they are) be built to be pushed to the extreme.

keiran Wrote:
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> Slash Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > I read by the end of last year that Martin
> > Witmarsh said Kimi sometimes drives the car too
> > hard, i know, it's electronically controlled,
> but
> > hey, some computers lock when loading too many
> > stuff, imo it doesn't matter how many
> electrical
> > aids those car has to prevent failures, some
> > drives seem to drive harder than other, Rubens
> in
> > Ferrari, Sato at Honda, Kimi at Macca, even
> thou
> > that car was not the most reliable one, it
> failed
> > more on Kimi's hand than it did on Juan, for
> some
> > reason i see Kimi driving this year more
> smooth,
> > and is only been 1 failure, but the've been
> > unreliable since last year, Japan, Brazil, Oz,
> and
> > now Spain, i hope he finishes in monaco cuz i
> > think he's going for that win, but only time
> will
> > tell if he's the one to blame for all the
> failures
> > because of his driving style
>
> I've never seen Kimi be any rougher with the car
> than Juan, he just didn't have any luck. Can you
> explain why Coulthard had similar failures at his
> years in McLaren, a driver who is known to be very
> smooth...
>
> I'm watching onboards of this year and last year
> and seeing very little difference in the way Kimi
> is driving...
>
> What does a computer locking under stress have to
> do with this? They are hardly going to fit
> electronics onboard the car without the power to
> run them comfortably... What I'm saying is these
> days the only way a driver can be hard on the car
> is by hitting kerbs very hard and going off the
> road. Throttle maps and traction control means the
> throttle output is never linear so the drivetrain
> can only be stressed with excessive kerb riding.


To be honest i don't know, but you don't either nor anyone of us, only somebody who's worked with the guy will know the difference, Martin Withmarsh maybe, with all electronicals aids and everything, there's got to be a rational explanaiton to why some drivers suffer more failures than others, and good luck and bad luck doesn't sound rational at all, so the way a driver uses the car compared to his teammate might be the one, let's wait for this year to end, if he has more failures than Massa... like i said, on the last 6 races ferrari's had reliable problems on 4, so i doubt Kimi's failure in barcelona is giving us a clear picture... by the end of the year we'll get a better one



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/19/2007 08:11PM by Slash.

I would like to add that some teams uses their second drivers to test few parts, like Sato in 2004 for BAR, he used to had a lot of failures, but Kimi's never been one of those drivers, has he?

But what about what happened to Massa in Melbourne, is he a car breaker?
There have been lots of drivers who have had far more of their fair share of reliability issues without being labeled car breakers for instance Johnny Herbert. Also remember Mclaren (with Mercedes) has had a pretty bad reliability record since 1996 with Mika and DC so i don't think it's fair to put the blame on Kimi.

I thought that Massa's problem and Raikkonen's in Spain have been clearly identified. It's situations like that driveshaft problem in Imola a few years back where there are doubts about the cause.

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