Renault R24 Engine BHP

Does anybody know the engine BHP of the new Renault R 24 ??
I read the German "Sport Bild " special F1 edition, where all cars were
shown with specific details. The engine BHP of the cars were:
Ferrari 910, BMW-Williams 935, Mclaren-Mercedes 915, Renault 870 (???),
Toyota 910, Sauber 890, Jaguar 885, BAR-Honda 895, Jordan 895 and
Minardi 875. I cannot imagine that the Renault engine has less power
than Minardi.
Happy racing from Germany !!!

yeah right

This ain't right.. First of all Sauber and Ferrari are using the same engines, that means both of them have the same horsepower basically.. Than, Jordan and Jaguar are racing same RS2 engine from Cosworth, so there's no logic explanation that Jaguar is having less power than Jordan.

I personally think of something like this:

Ferrari: 890
Williams: 900
McLaren: 870-880
Renault: 880
Toyota: 890
Sauber: 890
Jaguar: 870
BAR: 870
Jordan: 870
Minardi: 850-860 .. Altough i don't remember for minardi exactly, are they running last years engine?? If yes, how's with reliability than? They must be using 2004 RS2 spec engine??




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Altough i don't remember for minardi exactly, are they running last years engine?? If yes, how's with reliability than? They must be using 2004 RS2 spec engine??

They cant be using last years engine because of the new rules. I read Stoddart said he will be using the same spec as Jordan but would rather have reliability with it than more bhp.

chrislewis: Oooh.. nice.. my presumptions were right




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they were obviously just guesses, dont look like very good ones either

f1 magazine predicted williams have about 865bhp, lower than 900bhp last year because it must last twice as long. the ferrari driver say this year car has less power than last year, so less than 890hp, maybe 860bhp?
renault have more than last year, so more than 820hp, so around 840? toyota are said to have the class of the field this year, maybe 870bhp?
the honda shouldnt be much off these figures, but wont be as reliable as the others. mclaren are having to drop there power for reliability.1
in my mind this is the order:

toyota 870bhp
williams-bmw 865bhp
ferrari 860bhp
sauber ferrari 860bhp
bar honda 855bhp
mclaren mercedes 850bhp
jaguar cosworth 850bhp
jordan ford 850bhp
renault 840bhp
minardi cosworth 840bhp

Even Bild does not know it all. These values are guestimates, nothing more. Don't expect them to be accurate - the engine manufactures will certainly not tell anyone about the real figures.

Even if Ferrari and Sauber have the same engine, the emphasis lies on "basically". Of course Ferrari will have the edge over Sauber, since I don't think they'll provide the Swiss team with all the new evolution stages.

How on earth Bild is able to detect a 5bhp difference between Sauber and Jaguar is simply beyond me. My advice, drafi5: Vergiss Bild und lies was Vernünftiges damit aus Dir mal was Gescheites wird.

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apparently there are devices that can pick up the exhaust note of an F1 engine and represent a bhp figure based on the analysis of the exhaust tone

but i still think it could be wrong

yeh, one engine could have more power at less revs than another engine at higher revs.

well they would record an exhaust tone thru-out the full rev range heathy

and then run it rhtu some software on a computer to analyse it

but i still think it is not 100% correct.

Yes, but who is able to record the engine sound over the full rev range? Bild-zeitung? The Sun? RTL or itv? What do you think how they do it? Install a secret mic on the car when nobody's watching? Drive behind the F1 car to record the sound? Like autosport journalists jump into a cab and shout at the taxi driver 'Quick, follow the car in front of us!'

Most probably not. The teams do it themselves, because this is how they analyse the power of their own engines. And guess what: they won't tell us about it.



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if i were ferrari i would keep the bhp from last year that they had. they have the best reliability with a very high bhp figure, altho not as high as williams.

no one knows for sure, maybe last years renault engine was the most powerful, but only had the lowest revs, which limited its top speed.

actually vader it is recorded from the onboard mounted camera's on the cars

Thanks for your answers.
To vader: thanks for the advice ( ich lese Bild selten, habe mir die Sport
Bild Motorsport 2004 geholt wegen Formel 1).

The teams do it themselves, because this is how they analyse the power of their own engines.

they don´t record the sound, they have the precision BHP number from the dinamometer testings.... sound recording wud be only for someone outside the team trying to guess the BHP!!!!




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Sorry but those figures are a load of bull.

Minardi only attained an 800+ BHP engine last year. I highly doubt they've gained 70 BHP over the winter

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Minardi turned down the lastest engines which i found very strange but i think its clear what they will do anyway and thats change the engine before the race. They will be at the back anyway so they have nothing to lose. Thats a big loop hole in the rules.

Also if an engine does its miles teams can change them so u could end up with a team whos driver crashed at the last GP or something like that using an old engine for friday doing the miles then they are allowed to change it.

I just dont see how this rule will work there are a few ways around it.

Yeah, pushing a car 10 places back on the grid is a badly thought-through penalty for this particular rule. It affects some teams disproportionately and rewards messing up your Qualifying lap for the top teams.

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