The FIA conspirancy?
Posted by marcl
zymolguy Wrote:
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> Reminds me of '94 when the FIA tried everything to get Damon Hill to
> beat Schumacher. Two race ban
>
> for ignoring a black flag?? Too much plank wear at Spa, illegal launch
> control, etc. Not much
>
> different really is it?? Flabio was all for it then, now he cries.
> Many people thought conspiracy
>
> then too. The situation was different, but still they tried.
i agree here about Flav, like i said earlier, when he was doing supposedly dodgy stuff WITH MS, he was all for it, but now it's happening against him, he's obviously against it.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
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> Reminds me of '94 when the FIA tried everything to get Damon Hill to
> beat Schumacher. Two race ban
>
> for ignoring a black flag?? Too much plank wear at Spa, illegal launch
> control, etc. Not much
>
> different really is it?? Flabio was all for it then, now he cries.
> Many people thought conspiracy
>
> then too. The situation was different, but still they tried.
i agree here about Flav, like i said earlier, when he was doing supposedly dodgy stuff WITH MS, he was all for it, but now it's happening against him, he's obviously against it.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
FIA changes 'blocking' rule
Formula 1’s governing body has modified the controversial ‘blocking’ rule that triggered such a furore at last weekend’s Italian Grand Prix.
World champion Fernando Alonso was demoted from fifth to 10th on the Monza grid after he was deemed to have impeded Felipe Massa during qualifying – even though the stewards accepted he may not have done so intentionally.
The penalty incensed Renault and prompted Alonso to declare that he no longer considered F1 a sport.
FIA president Max Mosley defended the decision on the basis of the existing regulations but said there may need to be a rethink of what counted as impeding a rival.
Now, in a memo to the teams seen by ITV-F1.com, FIA race director Charlie Whiting has said he will no longer refer all complaints of blocking to the stewards – only those that he judges to be blatant and deliberate.
“Complaints that a driver has been impeded during qualifying will no longer be referred to the stewards of the meeting,” he wrote.
“Only in cases where it appears to race control that there has been a clear and deliberate attempt to impede another driver will the stewards be asked to intervene.”
But Whiting made it clear that he was unimpressed by Renault’s public reaction to the penalty, which included suggestions that the FIA was institutionally biased in favour of Ferrari.
“We now feel it is pointless for the stewards to engage in long and painstaking enquiries if competitors ignore clear scientific evidence and instead abuse the regulator,” he wrote.
Taking the piss or what. Fact is FIA it took a public reaction to get your attention, the least you can do is apologise publicly to Renault/Alonso for wrongly accusing them of `blocking` and affecting there race chances hugely. The amount of money a GP team will pay the FIA in entry fee alone will be stupidly high, yet alone on everything else and this is how the FIA say `sorry`.
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/15/2006 10:34PM by keiran.
Formula 1’s governing body has modified the controversial ‘blocking’ rule that triggered such a furore at last weekend’s Italian Grand Prix.
World champion Fernando Alonso was demoted from fifth to 10th on the Monza grid after he was deemed to have impeded Felipe Massa during qualifying – even though the stewards accepted he may not have done so intentionally.
The penalty incensed Renault and prompted Alonso to declare that he no longer considered F1 a sport.
FIA president Max Mosley defended the decision on the basis of the existing regulations but said there may need to be a rethink of what counted as impeding a rival.
Now, in a memo to the teams seen by ITV-F1.com, FIA race director Charlie Whiting has said he will no longer refer all complaints of blocking to the stewards – only those that he judges to be blatant and deliberate.
“Complaints that a driver has been impeded during qualifying will no longer be referred to the stewards of the meeting,” he wrote.
“Only in cases where it appears to race control that there has been a clear and deliberate attempt to impede another driver will the stewards be asked to intervene.”
But Whiting made it clear that he was unimpressed by Renault’s public reaction to the penalty, which included suggestions that the FIA was institutionally biased in favour of Ferrari.
“We now feel it is pointless for the stewards to engage in long and painstaking enquiries if competitors ignore clear scientific evidence and instead abuse the regulator,” he wrote.
Taking the piss or what. Fact is FIA it took a public reaction to get your attention, the least you can do is apologise publicly to Renault/Alonso for wrongly accusing them of `blocking` and affecting there race chances hugely. The amount of money a GP team will pay the FIA in entry fee alone will be stupidly high, yet alone on everything else and this is how the FIA say `sorry`.
vMax.Keiran
Velocity Maximum Simulation Racing
www.vMaxSR.com
www.liveforspeed.net LFS Status:
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/15/2006 10:34PM by keiran.
keiran Wrote:
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> FIA changes 'blocking' rule
> Formula 1’s governing body has modified the controversial
> ‘blocking’ rule that triggered such a furore at last weekend’s
> Italian Grand Prix.
>
> World champion Fernando Alonso was demoted from fifth to 10th on the
> Monza grid after he was deemed to have impeded Felipe Massa during
> qualifying – even though the stewards accepted he may not have done
> so intentionally.
>
> The penalty incensed Renault and prompted Alonso to declare that he no
> longer considered F1 a sport.
>
> FIA president Max Mosley defended the decision on the basis of the
> existing regulations but said there may need to be a rethink of what
> counted as impeding a rival.
>
> Now, in a memo to the teams seen by ITV-F1.com, FIA race director
> Charlie Whiting has said he will no longer refer all complaints of
> blocking to the stewards – only those that he judges to be blatant
> and deliberate.
>
> “Complaints that a driver has been impeded during qualifying will no
> longer be referred to the stewards of the meeting,” he wrote.
>
> “Only in cases where it appears to race control that there has been
> a clear and deliberate attempt to impede another driver will the
> stewards be asked to intervene.”
>
> But Whiting made it clear that he was unimpressed by Renault’s
> public reaction to the penalty, which included suggestions that the
> FIA was institutionally biased in favour of Ferrari.
>
> “We now feel it is pointless for the stewards to engage in long and
> painstaking enquiries if competitors ignore clear scientific evidence
> and instead abuse the regulator,” he wrote.
>
> Taking the piss or what. Fact is FIA it took a public reaction to get
> your attention, the least you can do is apologise publicly to
> Renault/Alonso for wrongly accusing them of `blocking` and affecting
> there race chances hugely. The amount of money a GP team will pay the
> FIA in entry fee alone will be stupidly high, yet alone on everything
> else and this is how the FIA say `sorry`.
>
That bit there confuses me. They've gone to all this trouble to release a statement saying that Alonso did nothing wrong, then said he was wrong to appeal against the decision.
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> FIA changes 'blocking' rule
> Formula 1’s governing body has modified the controversial
> ‘blocking’ rule that triggered such a furore at last weekend’s
> Italian Grand Prix.
>
> World champion Fernando Alonso was demoted from fifth to 10th on the
> Monza grid after he was deemed to have impeded Felipe Massa during
> qualifying – even though the stewards accepted he may not have done
> so intentionally.
>
> The penalty incensed Renault and prompted Alonso to declare that he no
> longer considered F1 a sport.
>
> FIA president Max Mosley defended the decision on the basis of the
> existing regulations but said there may need to be a rethink of what
> counted as impeding a rival.
>
> Now, in a memo to the teams seen by ITV-F1.com, FIA race director
> Charlie Whiting has said he will no longer refer all complaints of
> blocking to the stewards – only those that he judges to be blatant
> and deliberate.
>
> “Complaints that a driver has been impeded during qualifying will no
> longer be referred to the stewards of the meeting,” he wrote.
>
> “Only in cases where it appears to race control that there has been
> a clear and deliberate attempt to impede another driver will the
> stewards be asked to intervene.”
>
> But Whiting made it clear that he was unimpressed by Renault’s
> public reaction to the penalty, which included suggestions that the
> FIA was institutionally biased in favour of Ferrari.
>
> “We now feel it is pointless for the stewards to engage in long and
> painstaking enquiries if competitors ignore clear scientific evidence
> and instead abuse the regulator,” he wrote.
>
> Taking the piss or what. Fact is FIA it took a public reaction to get
> your attention, the least you can do is apologise publicly to
> Renault/Alonso for wrongly accusing them of `blocking` and affecting
> there race chances hugely. The amount of money a GP team will pay the
> FIA in entry fee alone will be stupidly high, yet alone on everything
> else and this is how the FIA say `sorry`.
>
That bit there confuses me. They've gone to all this trouble to release a statement saying that Alonso did nothing wrong, then said he was wrong to appeal against the decision.
Because the statement didn't say that Aloso did nothing wrong. Simple as that.
They are changing it because they don't want the "OMG, Alonso couldn't have possibly cost Massa time, i've seen it on TV with my own eyes and don't need no frigging telemetry to know it" crowd to continue to abuse them.
Is it just the way I'm interpreting the F.I.A.statement?
To me that statement says Race Control will make the descisions, and the Stewards will decide a penalty, and there will be nothing the teams can say about.
I've only read the statements posted on these threads, so forgive me if I've mis-understood something. But to me they are'nt changing the rule, they are changing the process of how situations will be handled, to avoid messy press comments from competitors.
Cheers.
To me that statement says Race Control will make the descisions, and the Stewards will decide a penalty, and there will be nothing the teams can say about.
I've only read the statements posted on these threads, so forgive me if I've mis-understood something. But to me they are'nt changing the rule, they are changing the process of how situations will be handled, to avoid messy press comments from competitors.
Cheers.
they are changing the rule.
they're saying that only if we can see one driver deliberately block another driver will anything be done about it.
cases like Massa/Alonso where only telemetry could prove it one way or another, will be ignored, because they (the FIA) feel they'll only get abuse from all other teams, despite the scientific evidence (telemetry) proving they were correct.
(i don't believe they got it right though, i agree they just changed the rule cos they were wrong, and used the abuse from the teams as an excuse for the change)
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
they're saying that only if we can see one driver deliberately block another driver will anything be done about it.
cases like Massa/Alonso where only telemetry could prove it one way or another, will be ignored, because they (the FIA) feel they'll only get abuse from all other teams, despite the scientific evidence (telemetry) proving they were correct.
(i don't believe they got it right though, i agree they just changed the rule cos they were wrong, and used the abuse from the teams as an excuse for the change)
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
The FIA take alot of abuse over alot of things, and have done for years and have never bowed down and changed the rules for them at all
I don't follow this stuff closely but you are wrong.
Didn't they change the way penalties were handed out during a race compared to afterwards? They did, no need to answer.
Why would they start now? Unless of course they were actually wrong...
As above, thay didn't start now.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/16/2006 06:18PM by chrislewis.
I don't follow this stuff closely but you are wrong.
Didn't they change the way penalties were handed out during a race compared to afterwards? They did, no need to answer.
Why would they start now? Unless of course they were actually wrong...
As above, thay didn't start now.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/16/2006 06:18PM by chrislewis.
You haven't actually read the rule book, have you?
I mean it's impossible to come up with this having actually done so.
"Not that it actually matters because in typical FIA form, its all political, badly worded crap. By definitian of the English dictionary, and the FIA Sporting Regulations, Massa was never ever blocked. Using the FIAs own rule book, no blocking happened. So this doesnt even address what actually happened, this addresses direct blocking.
Secondly, it leaves completelty open the definitian of intentional. Alonso stayed on track infront of Massa on purpose. But he didnt delbratly cause harm to Massa, So what is intentional."
I mean it's impossible to come up with this having actually done so.
"Not that it actually matters because in typical FIA form, its all political, badly worded crap. By definitian of the English dictionary, and the FIA Sporting Regulations, Massa was never ever blocked. Using the FIAs own rule book, no blocking happened. So this doesnt even address what actually happened, this addresses direct blocking.
Secondly, it leaves completelty open the definitian of intentional. Alonso stayed on track infront of Massa on purpose. But he didnt delbratly cause harm to Massa, So what is intentional."
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