How to slow F1 cars down for 2008

Slicks all round is the way forward. I wish they'd introduce that at least next year so the teams can get some more mechanical grip which would allow them to run a bit closer and make passing a bit easier.

Keiran


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yes but they would lap 2 to 3 secs faster a lap like ferrari did when they tested gp2 tyres

Muks_C Wrote:
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> yeah i'm not putting that idea forward, just saying there is no point
> in messing with grooved and ungrooved tyres, just have them all as
> slicks, then narrow the width till the contact patch is the same as
> when they had wider tyres with grooves.
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>

nads to that, just play with the compounds..

marcl Wrote:
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> yes but they would lap 2 to 3 secs faster a lap like ferrari did when
> they tested gp2 tyres

So? As Brundle keeps saying in the quali sessions, sod slowing them down, we wanna see them going as fast as possible, that's what they're designed for, if you remember

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> yes but they would lap 2 to 3 secs faster a lap like ferrari did when
> they tested gp2 tyres

I don't really care if they go quicker. They are probably the safest cars in the world when you consider the speeds they reach. Hell I've heard that some of these cars only weigh 450-500kgs without the driver and the rest is made up of ballast so they can move the weights around to help find the balance. I think it's amazing how something weighing so little that goes so quickly can withstand some seriously high speed crashes with the driver running off for another car.


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i dont care either but i thought they were trying to slow them down

Just knock off those ceramic brakes and place airbrakes on them :D

No serious... knock off all the electronic stuff, give them manual geerings and slicks. That's all we need in this sport... And maybe steel brakes again.

As the cars cannot get close enough to each other in the corners they cannot make use of the tow down the straight.
To improve overtaking opportunities the teams must be forced to loose MOST of their aerodynamical grip and be forced to rely more on mechanical grip, this will mean that the cars can run closer in the corners and get the tow down the straight.
So use smaller wings, NO flip-ups, bargeboards etc, get rid of the plank (won't be needed any more), plain diffuser at the back etc.

Also when there was no refuelling some cars run better on full tanks than others, so we used to see drivers making a late charge when their car was working better than their rivals, so lose refuelling.

Jenson, Jenson, he's our man,
If he can't win it,
Someone else........er can?

if they cut the downforce down to 20% of what they have today, and give them slicks, the racing might be awesome.

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how much downforce do the cars lose when they switch to monza spec bodywork cos they still struggle to follow each other when they run little wing?

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pete-21 Wrote:
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> As the cars cannot get close enough to each other in the corners they
> cannot make use of the tow down the straight.
> To improve overtaking opportunities the teams must be forced to loose
> MOST of their aerodynamical grip and be forced to rely more on
> mechanical grip, this will mean that the cars can run closer in the
> corners and get the tow down the straight.
> So use smaller wings, NO flip-ups, bargeboards etc, get rid of the
> plank (won't be needed any more), plain diffuser at the back etc.
>
> Also when there was no refuelling some cars run better on full tanks
> than others, so we used to see drivers making a late charge when their
> car was working better than their rivals, so lose refuelling.
>
> Jenson, Jenson, he's our man,
> If he can't win it,
> Someone else........will!
> (But not Hungary 2006)


AGREED!

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"I'm an artist, the track is my canvas, and the car is my brush."

"how much downforce do the cars lose when they switch to monza spec bodywork cos they still struggle to follow each other when they run little wing?"

I may be wrong but i get the impression that in Monza trim the cars are pretty unstable even without having another car infront.

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from the Inside GP show i saw before the race, i seem to remember Frank Dernie saying the cars are generating about 40% less at Monza than at a high downforce track, but i may be wrong.

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Theres no need for F1 to lose anything... Let them use ground effects, thats how a GP2 car works well. Along with the slicks they should generate good enough mechanical grip. F1 cars should be the quickest things out there and continue to develop. Thats what I love about F1 is seeing the smart things these designers and engineers can come up with.

F1 will never be like GP2, from what I can remember even `back in the day` that people keep going on about, F1 was dull compared to other motorsports if all you were interested in was overtaking.

Keiran


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problem with ground effect, if you're cornering at an insane speed and the effect breaks, you're gonna fly of and have a huge accident at high speed. but i suppose you could have tonnes of mechanical grip and get a blowout while cornering, so it's not much more of a risk in that sense.

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GP2 makes it work and you can't tell me that there cornering speeds aren't quick. I'd like a comparison because I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't that far off the F1 cars, maybe even slightly quicker when you compare lap times at Monza, was it about 7/8 seconds slower? Which an F1 car could probably easily make in a straight.

It's the same risk as a tyre blowing, as a wing flying off and as the driver making a mistake. F1 has come along way and I'm pretty sure them smart guys can come up with some creative solutions to any problems they may encounter with the effect.

Keiran


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i don't know what you're on about in the first paragraph there, but i agree that yes there must be some way to ensure the effect remains and can't break, by the clever engineers.

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Makes sense to me :s Cornering speed = speed they can carry around the corner...

GP2 cars use the ground effect and slicks giving them good mechanical grip. Considering the difference in times was about 7 seconds which I reckon an F1 car could make up in acceleration and straights. I wouldn't be surprised to see a GP2 car doing quicker cornering speeds, at Monza anyway.

Do you understand what I was on about now?


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it was this bit i don't know why you posted to me: "GP2 makes it work and you can't tell me that there cornering speeds aren't quick. I'd like a comparison because I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't that far off the F1 cars, maybe even slightly quicker when you compare lap times at Monza, was it about 7/8 seconds slower?"

i didn't deny GP2 use ground effect successfully. i understand what you wrote, but didn't see how it related to my previous post, that's all.

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Muks_C Wrote:
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> problem with ground effect, if you're cornering at an insane speed and
> the effect breaks, you're gonna fly of and have a huge accident at
> high speed. but i suppose you could have tonnes of mechanical grip and
> get a blowout while cornering, so it's not much more of a risk in that
> sense.

If put the part in bold that it relates to... GP2 cars cornering speeds aren't any less insane than an F1 car. Especially at a place like Monza.


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