lol at Bernie
Posted by rapid_f1
lol @ Johnace and Dave's reply.
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Statements like that won't make the people like F1 more.
Its not a popularity contest. And anyway, the nation isnt going to turn off on the thoughts of one man. If they like F1 they will watch, if they dont like F1 they wont watch. A short white haired buisnessman whos a bit grumpy isnt going to change there mind.
I don't suppose that Greece or whatever is the next country that considers having f1 there de rigeur contributes to F1.
Well Suzuka, one of the worlds classic tracks is fighting for a slot. Same with Spa.
"Is F1 willing to go to America and carry on playing second fiddle to CCWS/IRL/NASCAR?"
Apparently they are.
Not so sure myself. If they were happy to be second/third/fourth fiddle I doubt we would have these talks of series leaving.
I'd say that f1 is the top motorsport in every country it competes in, except for America. So altho its ratings may be decent, everything is relative and when you look at it that way, its odd.
It's not a question of USA GP over anyone else.You made that one up.
I didnt
Answer the question please. Why should it be America over anywhere else?
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Its not a popularity contest. And anyway, the nation isnt going to turn off on the thoughts of one man. If they like F1 they will watch, if they dont like F1 they wont watch. A short white haired buisnessman whos a bit grumpy isnt going to change there mind.
I don't suppose that Greece or whatever is the next country that considers having f1 there de rigeur contributes to F1.
Well Suzuka, one of the worlds classic tracks is fighting for a slot. Same with Spa.
"Is F1 willing to go to America and carry on playing second fiddle to CCWS/IRL/NASCAR?"
Apparently they are.
Not so sure myself. If they were happy to be second/third/fourth fiddle I doubt we would have these talks of series leaving.
I'd say that f1 is the top motorsport in every country it competes in, except for America. So altho its ratings may be decent, everything is relative and when you look at it that way, its odd.
It's not a question of USA GP over anyone else.You made that one up.
I didnt
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canada is not IN america its attached to it
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> I was'nt talking world as in different countrys(that would be
> stupid)but continents lol and montreal(spelling?) is in canada not north america!
Montreal may be in Canada, but it IS still in North America (the continent).
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> I was'nt talking world as in different countrys(that would be
> stupid)but continents lol and montreal(spelling?) is in canada not north america!
Montreal may be in Canada, but it IS still in North America (the continent).
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
"Its not a popularity contest. And anyway, the nation isnt going to turn off on the thoughts of one man. If they like F1 they will watch, if they dont like F1 they wont watch. A short white haired buisnessman whos a bit grumpy isnt going to change there mind."
An attitude like that isn't exactly helpful in attracting new audiences.
"Well Suzuka, one of the worlds classic tracks is fighting for a slot. Same with Spa."
They aren't fighting with USA.Never did.
"Not so sure myself. If they were happy to be second/third/fourth fiddle I doubt we would have these talks of series leaving."
I thought we've already established that talk of series leaving is a negotiating tactic.
As long as Ecclestone gets the full fee he doesn't mind.
"Why should it be America over anywhere else?"
For the last time,right now it's not competing with anyone for a slot.
An attitude like that isn't exactly helpful in attracting new audiences.
"Well Suzuka, one of the worlds classic tracks is fighting for a slot. Same with Spa."
They aren't fighting with USA.Never did.
"Not so sure myself. If they were happy to be second/third/fourth fiddle I doubt we would have these talks of series leaving."
I thought we've already established that talk of series leaving is a negotiating tactic.
As long as Ecclestone gets the full fee he doesn't mind.
"Why should it be America over anywhere else?"
For the last time,right now it's not competing with anyone for a slot.
I thought we've already established that talk of series leaving is a negotiating tactic.
No, we never established that You said it and i disagreed. You really should check the meaning of established sir!
As long as Ecclestone gets the full fee he doesn't mind.
And why shouldnt be?
For the last time,right now it's not competing with anyone for a slot.
It is. We have a full calender, with teams wanting the races cut down. We have more races wanting on the calender, but none being dropped. With USA in a possible drop from the calender, it IS competing.
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No, we never established that
You said it and i disagreed. You really should check the meaning of established sir!As long as Ecclestone gets the full fee he doesn't mind.
And why shouldnt be?
For the last time,right now it's not competing with anyone for a slot.
It is. We have a full calender, with teams wanting the races cut down. We have more races wanting on the calender, but none being dropped. With USA in a possible drop from the calender, it IS competing.
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The only constant in this entire discussion is Bernie Ecclestone's greed. That's one of the major reasons the USGP is at Indy and not elsewhere in the USA. Not many track promoters are willing to invest the millions necessary to bring a circuit up to F1 standards AND pay Bernie his $20 mil yearly fee. Not many tracks can bring 200,000 F1 fans into the seats and have an instantly recognizable name like Indy to market. Bernie is at Indy because thats where the money is.
You talk about Bernie being the man who made F1 and lament the small teams being at the mercy of the manufactorers, but it is Bernie who encouraged the big money auto makers to get back into F1 and Bernie who moved F1 away from traditional F1 circuits like A1 Ring, Estoril, and lately Suzuka and Spa and into such bland locations as Shanghai, Bahrain, and Sepang.
Gee why would Bernie do such a thing? MONEY. It's the only factor that motivates Ecclestone. That's fine, it's Bernie's game, and if he wants to take the ball home or play elsewhere the promoters have very little they can do unless they are willing to pay. But please don't try to assign some higher motive to anything Bernie says or does - it's all motivated by his potential profits.
Which brings us full circle to the USGP. Like it or not Bernie's recent bullshit IS nothing other than a marketing ploy. Go to any F1 web site who covered his comments and see what spin they put on it. They all seem to agree it simply a method to get Tony George to the table with the money Bernie wants. It's not the late 90's any more Dave. The day of the privateer is ending if its not dead already, its a shame but even Williams is hard pressed to compete in F1 these days. Maybe the new regs will fix that, but thats not really germane to this discussion anyway. The fact is that global companies are now heavily involved in F1, and they all want a piece of the American consumer dollar. Simply put, THATS why F1 needs America. You don't kill the golden goose because the eggs are smaller than you anticipated. You keep it and hope it lays bigger eggs eventually or many more smaller ones. Bernie might play hardball with Tony George, and we might even have to skip a year or two on the F1 calender if Bernie screws Tony George and pulls out. If that happens I guarantee another US venue will be found, even if it has to be built from scratch. The potential profit margin in the USA is just too huge to ignore.
I give Bernie credit for being an extremely shrewd business man, which is how he amassed his billions in the first place. He didn't get filthy rich by turning his back on gargantuan markets with incredible profit potential. No, he usually finds a way to exploit these markets to his gain. I say again F1 needs America like a junkie needs dope. Bernie wants it, he craves it, his greed won't allow him to turn his back on it and the global corporations in F1 DEMAND the US market.
Whether or not America needs F1 is another question altogether, one of little concern to me. You'll never transform someone content with NASCAR into a F1 fan.
Deleted. You are stepping over the line here. - Morbid
But there are many intelligent, discerning fans in the US who would flock to F1, if it were marketed in the US or reported in the press the way it is around the world....
"There are some pikeys there at Turn 10 putting tarmac down - what do you think of that?" - Martin Brundle
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/27/2006 09:00AM by Jagdpanzer.
You talk about Bernie being the man who made F1 and lament the small teams being at the mercy of the manufactorers, but it is Bernie who encouraged the big money auto makers to get back into F1 and Bernie who moved F1 away from traditional F1 circuits like A1 Ring, Estoril, and lately Suzuka and Spa and into such bland locations as Shanghai, Bahrain, and Sepang.
Gee why would Bernie do such a thing? MONEY. It's the only factor that motivates Ecclestone. That's fine, it's Bernie's game, and if he wants to take the ball home or play elsewhere the promoters have very little they can do unless they are willing to pay. But please don't try to assign some higher motive to anything Bernie says or does - it's all motivated by his potential profits.
Which brings us full circle to the USGP. Like it or not Bernie's recent bullshit IS nothing other than a marketing ploy. Go to any F1 web site who covered his comments and see what spin they put on it. They all seem to agree it simply a method to get Tony George to the table with the money Bernie wants. It's not the late 90's any more Dave. The day of the privateer is ending if its not dead already, its a shame but even Williams is hard pressed to compete in F1 these days. Maybe the new regs will fix that, but thats not really germane to this discussion anyway. The fact is that global companies are now heavily involved in F1, and they all want a piece of the American consumer dollar. Simply put, THATS why F1 needs America. You don't kill the golden goose because the eggs are smaller than you anticipated. You keep it and hope it lays bigger eggs eventually or many more smaller ones. Bernie might play hardball with Tony George, and we might even have to skip a year or two on the F1 calender if Bernie screws Tony George and pulls out. If that happens I guarantee another US venue will be found, even if it has to be built from scratch. The potential profit margin in the USA is just too huge to ignore.
I give Bernie credit for being an extremely shrewd business man, which is how he amassed his billions in the first place. He didn't get filthy rich by turning his back on gargantuan markets with incredible profit potential. No, he usually finds a way to exploit these markets to his gain. I say again F1 needs America like a junkie needs dope. Bernie wants it, he craves it, his greed won't allow him to turn his back on it and the global corporations in F1 DEMAND the US market.
Whether or not America needs F1 is another question altogether, one of little concern to me. You'll never transform someone content with NASCAR into a F1 fan.
Deleted. You are stepping over the line here. - Morbid
But there are many intelligent, discerning fans in the US who would flock to F1, if it were marketed in the US or reported in the press the way it is around the world....
"There are some pikeys there at Turn 10 putting tarmac down - what do you think of that?" - Martin Brundle
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/27/2006 09:00AM by Jagdpanzer.
And for once its not me bullshiting :P lol.
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
:P lol."Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
Well Dave, I see no real point in continuing the discussion anyway. You have your opinion, I have mine. Both have been stated ad nauseam.
I doubt we could convince one another of the validity of those views anyway, so cheers, and enjoy NASCAR....
"There are some pikeys there at Turn 10 putting tarmac down - what do you think of that?" - Martin Brundle
I doubt we could convince one another of the validity of those views anyway, so cheers, and enjoy NASCAR....
"There are some pikeys there at Turn 10 putting tarmac down - what do you think of that?" - Martin Brundle
The best thing about this is we don't have to go to that god awful crap track. That track is just sooooooooo horrible and crap. Both from a watching and driving perspective - have a go in gp4 and you'll see what I mean. A horrid excuse for a "race track".
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> The best thing about this is we don't have to go to that god awful
> crap track. That track is just sooooooooo horrible and crap. Both from
> a watching and driving perspective - have a go in gp4 and you'll see
> what I mean. A horrid excuse for a "race track".
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>
Eh? What track is that? Indy? I HAVE had a go at in GP4 and actually I like it. Yeah, the infield course isn't exactly inspired, but its certainly as good as some of the bland tracks on the calender now, plus its quite fun to blast out of the infield section onto the high banking and down the long straight.
Almost as much fun as seeing Schumi Jr. quiver every time he has to do the same thing....
"There are some pikeys there at Turn 10 putting tarmac down - what do you think of that?" - Martin Brundle
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> The best thing about this is we don't have to go to that god awful
> crap track. That track is just sooooooooo horrible and crap. Both from
> a watching and driving perspective - have a go in gp4 and you'll see
> what I mean. A horrid excuse for a "race track".
>
>
Eh? What track is that? Indy? I HAVE had a go at in GP4 and actually I like it. Yeah, the infield course isn't exactly inspired, but its certainly as good as some of the bland tracks on the calender now, plus its quite fun to blast out of the infield section onto the high banking and down the long straight.
Almost as much fun as seeing Schumi Jr. quiver every time he has to do the same thing....
"There are some pikeys there at Turn 10 putting tarmac down - what do you think of that?" - Martin Brundle
From bbc.co.uk/sport
Scott Speed says he does not feel any pressure to increase the popularity of Formula One in the US, where it has long struggled to find an audience.
Speed, who drives for Red Bull's junior team Toro Rosso, is the first American driver in F1 since Michael Andretti's disappointing 1993 campaign.
And F1 bosses are keen to tap into the potentially lucrative US market.
"It would be great if F1 becomes more popular in America, but personally for me it doesn't matter," Speed said.
"It is not something that puts added pressure on me. I am in F1 because I know that F1 is the pinnacle of motor sports.
"I know that it is the top level, and it has been my dream since I was a kid in karting."
F1 heads into this year's race at the legendary Indianapolis Motor Speedway on Sunday with its very future in America under threat.
The contract with Indy expires this year, and F1's standing in the US was badly hit by the fiasco at last year's race, when only six drivers competed following fears over the safety of the Michelin tyres used by seven of the teams.
Indy bosses remain unhappy about the affair, which led to fans showering the track with debris and shouting abuse before leaving early.
But track officials say they want to renew the contract if this year's race goes without a hitch, which Michelin is confident it will.
The US race returned to the calendar in 2000 after a long absence with F1 officials hoping the link with Indy - home of the famous Indy 500 - would lead to renewed interest.
F1 has to rebuild its image in the US after last year's fiasco
But although the event has attracted large crowds, the American public at large remain disinterested in F1.
That is why it is hoped the presence of Speed at this year's race could make a difference.
"I think you will see an increase (in interest) with having Scott Speed around," said Michael Schumacher. "At the end of the day, if you have your own sportsman there competing at the top, it will obviously help a lot."
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Scott Speed says he does not feel any pressure to increase the popularity of Formula One in the US, where it has long struggled to find an audience.
Speed, who drives for Red Bull's junior team Toro Rosso, is the first American driver in F1 since Michael Andretti's disappointing 1993 campaign.
And F1 bosses are keen to tap into the potentially lucrative US market.
"It would be great if F1 becomes more popular in America, but personally for me it doesn't matter," Speed said.
"It is not something that puts added pressure on me. I am in F1 because I know that F1 is the pinnacle of motor sports.
"I know that it is the top level, and it has been my dream since I was a kid in karting."
F1 heads into this year's race at the legendary Indianapolis Motor Speedway on Sunday with its very future in America under threat.
The contract with Indy expires this year, and F1's standing in the US was badly hit by the fiasco at last year's race, when only six drivers competed following fears over the safety of the Michelin tyres used by seven of the teams.
Indy bosses remain unhappy about the affair, which led to fans showering the track with debris and shouting abuse before leaving early.
But track officials say they want to renew the contract if this year's race goes without a hitch, which Michelin is confident it will.
The US race returned to the calendar in 2000 after a long absence with F1 officials hoping the link with Indy - home of the famous Indy 500 - would lead to renewed interest.
F1 has to rebuild its image in the US after last year's fiasco
But although the event has attracted large crowds, the American public at large remain disinterested in F1.
That is why it is hoped the presence of Speed at this year's race could make a difference.
"I think you will see an increase (in interest) with having Scott Speed around," said Michael Schumacher. "At the end of the day, if you have your own sportsman there competing at the top, it will obviously help a lot."
Maybe he just knows more as to why IT WONT become more popular.
He is backing up Daves comments well here.
If it were possible for F1 to make it big, then im sure Scott probably would care, but its not :P
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
He is backing up Daves comments well here.
If it were possible for F1 to make it big, then im sure Scott probably would care, but its not :P
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
"No, we never established that You said it and i disagreed. You really should check the meaning of established sir!"
Put it down as threat coincidentally made just before talks on contract renewal.
Ecclestone wanting to talk to IMS people would indicate that the stumbling block is the price,not the popularity.
But probably not to you.
"And why shouldnt be?"
I dunno.Supposedly it doesn't benefit anyone to be going there,especially with all those circuits that are being left out of the calendar.
"It is. We have a full calender, with teams wanting the races cut down. We have more races wanting on the calender, but none being dropped. With USA in a possible drop from the calender, it IS competing."
Every track negotiating a contract renewal is under threat potentially.Ecclestone wanting to talk doesn't indicate that he is ready to give up on a GP or there's a better deal elsewhere.
You said it and i disagreed. You really should check the meaning of established sir!"Put it down as threat coincidentally made just before talks on contract renewal.
Ecclestone wanting to talk to IMS people would indicate that the stumbling block is the price,not the popularity.
But probably not to you.
"And why shouldnt be?"
I dunno.Supposedly it doesn't benefit anyone to be going there,especially with all those circuits that are being left out of the calendar.
"It is. We have a full calender, with teams wanting the races cut down. We have more races wanting on the calender, but none being dropped. With USA in a possible drop from the calender, it IS competing."
Every track negotiating a contract renewal is under threat potentially.Ecclestone wanting to talk doesn't indicate that he is ready to give up on a GP or there's a better deal elsewhere.
Yes, sorry.
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