A team that cheated in Formula One in about 2000
Posted by ravi
There's a difference between legal and "within the spirit of the regulations".
i remember didnt mika stop track marshels (spazzy spelling) looking in his cockpit when he retired at the European GP?
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
"It also doesn't help when the tech director stands holding a barge board, explaining why its illegal, yet the FIA accept the 5mm tolerance to be meant for this area of the car. (It isnt!)"
Actually it's a clear-cut case of either the Technical delegate(Jo Bauer) being biased against Ferrari or McLaren being unsporting(as per definition set in this thread).
Quite how Bauer kept his job amazes me to this day.
Actually it's a clear-cut case of either the Technical delegate(Jo Bauer) being biased against Ferrari or McLaren being unsporting(as per definition set in this thread).
Quite how Bauer kept his job amazes me to this day.
I remember DC stayed in his mclaren while it was on the back of a truck after it broke down, to stop anyone looking inside it.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
one theory was that ferrari used the barge boards as a smokescreen to cheat in another area of the car.
if you remember, during practice and qually, everytime one of their cars returned to the pits, a mechanic would put small 'covers' over the barge boards, to prevent us seeing them.
this is a bit pointless, cos a team can easily watch video footage of the car while its on-track. they don't necessarily have to see it 'in the flesh'.
so ferrari could have been drawing attention to the barge boards, while doing something illegal on another part of the car.
who knows?
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
if you remember, during practice and qually, everytime one of their cars returned to the pits, a mechanic would put small 'covers' over the barge boards, to prevent us seeing them.
this is a bit pointless, cos a team can easily watch video footage of the car while its on-track. they don't necessarily have to see it 'in the flesh'.
so ferrari could have been drawing attention to the barge boards, while doing something illegal on another part of the car.
who knows?
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
happened before. bernie ecclestone's team in the 70's did that.... covered up the rear wing to take attention away from the skirts that had just been added to the car so nobody would copy...
The Ferrari bargeboards were completely legal at Malaysia in 1999. (No im not a Ferrari Fan).
The simple fact was that the track officials measured the barge boards off of an angled surface, which you cannot do.
If you meaure it correctly with the appropriate maths, then it was deemed legal. Which Ross Brawn showed to the FIA, and thats why the marshalls were overturned and Ferrai were re-instated.
The simple fact was that the track officials measured the barge boards off of an angled surface, which you cannot do.
If you meaure it correctly with the appropriate maths, then it was deemed legal. Which Ross Brawn showed to the FIA, and thats why the marshalls were overturned and Ferrai were re-instated.
It went like this
The Daily Express wrote that Ferrari's initially passed the scruteneering test and the cars were about to be released when Jo Bauer called them back and immediately found the missing 10mm.
"After the race, our engineers spotted the barge-board (being outside the rules) and they talked to the FIA people. They said there was no need for us to place a protest because they were going to have a look at it anyway."
Norbert Haug
Ferrari ran the same bargeboard arrangement at Nurburgring and were cleared throughout the weekend.Similarly they were cleared until the very last moment in Sepang.
Looks like some really slack scruteneering at best.
At worst it's easy to make a strong case of Jo Bauer being aware of the problem before the race.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/03/2005 05:55PM by tripleM.
The Daily Express wrote that Ferrari's initially passed the scruteneering test and the cars were about to be released when Jo Bauer called them back and immediately found the missing 10mm.
"After the race, our engineers spotted the barge-board (being outside the rules) and they talked to the FIA people. They said there was no need for us to place a protest because they were going to have a look at it anyway."
Norbert Haug
Ferrari ran the same bargeboard arrangement at Nurburgring and were cleared throughout the weekend.Similarly they were cleared until the very last moment in Sepang.
Looks like some really slack scruteneering at best.
At worst it's easy to make a strong case of Jo Bauer being aware of the problem before the race.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/03/2005 05:55PM by tripleM.
so i think what really happend is bennoton were stupid enough to get caught but ferrari wern't..
I know what you mean i hate the fact that ferrari get away with everything and the rules often change to suit their needs.
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I know what you mean i hate the fact that ferrari get away with everything and the rules often change to suit their needs.
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in the past, the rule changes have helped ferrari, they were at the top, a rule change comes along and they can afford to lose a bit more and it's no problem.
just this year the new designs of the other teams was better and ferrari over-compromised/mis-interpreted the rules or whatever.
just this year the new designs of the other teams was better and ferrari over-compromised/mis-interpreted the rules or whatever.
hey don't forget that when Ferrari aren't at the top any rule change is made to help them get back there
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you say that, but why were the points positions changed to go down to 8th place, and the gap from 1st to 2nd brought down from 4 points to 2 points? because ferrari/MS dominated and won the title so early, the FIA wanted to keep the titles alive for longer into the season. that rule was brought in specifically because ferrari/MS had dominated and won it so early in 2002.
i agree this wasn't directly to hinder ferrari, but it was brought in as a result of what they did. would it have happened if mclaren or williams had done the same thing?
it was a knee-jerk reaction, that was never needed. if a team is so good that they win the championships after 10 of 17 races, then let it be. you don't need to re-structure the points positions to stop it happening again.
if renault/mclaren/williams dominate 2006 and win the championships after less than half of the season, i would applaud them for the fantastic job they have done. i wouldn't want any rules changed to stop them doing it again the following year.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
i agree this wasn't directly to hinder ferrari, but it was brought in as a result of what they did. would it have happened if mclaren or williams had done the same thing?
it was a knee-jerk reaction, that was never needed. if a team is so good that they win the championships after 10 of 17 races, then let it be. you don't need to re-structure the points positions to stop it happening again.
if renault/mclaren/williams dominate 2006 and win the championships after less than half of the season, i would applaud them for the fantastic job they have done. i wouldn't want any rules changed to stop them doing it again the following year.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
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