Tarmac run off areas?!

@ Muks_C, off course he would be hurt more. What does slow you down more? Gravel or tarmac? Gravel off course. So i there was a tarmac run off area, he would have hit the wall at a higher speed which causes more injuries.

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> @ Muks_C, off course he would be hurt more. What
> does slow you down more? Gravel or tarmac? Gravel
> off course. So i there was a tarmac run off area,
> he would have hit the wall at a higher speed which
> causes more injuries.
>
>


Not neccesarily, Tarmac run off areas allow the drivers to scrub of massive amounts of speed in a relatively short amount of time with the tremendous braking power.

Gravel traps rarely do a good job, usually the car is travelling that fast it skips over the gravel like a stone on a mill pond until it comes to a rest, the then usually digs into the gravel when the driver attempts to get out of it.
If you were to monitor the relative G forces in both cases, i'd bet that most of the energy is scrubbed off with the tarmac and not the gravel




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> Nickv Wrote:
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> > @ Muks_C, off course he would be hurt more.
> What
> > does slow you down more? Gravel or tarmac?
> Gravel
> > off course. So i there was a tarmac run off
> area,
> > he would have hit the wall at a higher speed
> which
> > causes more injuries.
> >
> >
>
>
> Not neccesarily, Tarmac run off areas allow the
> drivers to scrub of massive amounts of speed in a
> relatively short amount of time with the
> tremendous braking power.
>
> Gravel traps rarely do a good job, usually the
> car is travelling that fast it skips over the
> gravel like a stone on a mill pond until it comes
> to a rest, the then usually digs into the gravel
> when the driver attempts to get out of it.
> If you were to monitor the relative G forces in
> both cases, i'd bet that most of the energy is
> scrubbed off with the tarmac and not the gravel
>
>
>
> LS's Tip of the Week:
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> For Bus Drivers
>
> Pretend you're an airline pilot by wedging your
> accelerator pedal down with a heavy book, securing
> the steering wheel with some old rope, and then
> strolling back along the bus chatting casually to
> the passengers.


Yes, that's right. But the problem was, Schumacher had no brakes (a bit at the front). And then it's better to have gravel.

i guess so, but at the speed schumacher was travelling at with effectively no brakes, i think gravel would have made hardly any difference anyway.

Brake failure is brake failure, you might as well have thrown out an anchor and dragster style parachute on that day




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if you know anything about friction, you'll know that to brake effectively, you need it, and tarmac offers more friction to a braking tyre than gravel does.

and i think it was just rear brake failure, (reportedly just left-rear) as his front wheels were locked and made 2 black lines off the track at Stowe. as James and Martin are alway telling us, the brake bias is around 57% front, 43% rear, so even with no rear brakes, he'd have at least 50% of normal braking force.

his impact to the barrier was 'only' 70-something MPH, but if the whole distance he travelled had been tarmac, he could have maybe halved that even with only the front brakes working.

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IIRC Gravel traps used to work fine until the 1998 regs came in.

Kinda like F1 really!!

Ooooh...nostalgia ain't as good as it used to be!

Hmm, it looked much faster. But, OK I'm convinced. And I changed my opinion a bit: I'm totally against run off areas where you dont need it, like in France and the chicanes Monza and Montreal.

Lol, i was watching a lap of Monza 1978, THERE WERE NO GRAVEL TRAPS!!! At Variante Ascari where the gravel is, there were trees, right beside the track FFS
Admiteddly there were barriers too.

to add a picture to the point of the first post in this thread, look at this rendering of the Istanbul circuit:



where's the punishment for a mistake? you could get lost in the big one in the foreground ffs :/

Its rotten. Brazil is like that now, grand when you're driving it and make a mistake i'll admit, but whats the point. Why not just let all 20 drivers loose in a big yard and see what happens.