Alonso cant take the pressure...

BAR-Honda and Ferrari both cheat by respectively fielding an under- weight car and conducting more testing than is allowed, Renault's Fernando Alonso claimed today.

"There are two teams that cheat: the first is BAR Honda, that was proved in San Marino, and the second is Ferrari - all the teams tested for six days whereas Ferrari tested for 20," Alonso stated ahead of his home Grand Prix.

The championship leader was speaking out on the day that the FIA called on BAR Honda team to be thrown out of this year's championship if they are in fact found to be cheating.

The British team are in the dock after the car in which Button finished third in San Marino weighed in 5 KG under the 600 KG weight minimum. The International Court of Appeal has however not yet announced their verdict which is expected on Thursday afternoon.

Alonso's claims that Ferrari are cheating is actually wide of the mark as the Italian Champions have been perfectly up-front in the fact that they decided not to join the remaining nine teams in limiting testing this year. According to the FIA, this is completely legal as they do not dictate testing regulation.

Alonso goes into this weekend' Spanish Grand Prix seeking his fourth straight win of the 2005 season.

Seems that now he has some competition, he has to start accusing. There is no OFFICIAL rule that says anything about testing limits.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/04/2005 07:34PM by mad otter.

But there is a gentlemans agreement about testing.

well as much as i hate wat ferrari are doing... they are allowed too... and well alonso knws hes not goin to win at spain.. so thats y this comment comes.

About BAR, no proof of cheating...

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

and Renault has cheated too their rearwing was moving but they changed it before Imola .



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/04/2005 07:39PM by vesuvius.

but how is it cheating...

Alonso's claims that Ferrari are cheating is actually wide of the mark as the Italian Champions have been perfectly up-front in the fact that they decided not to join the remaining nine teams in limiting testing this year. According to the FIA, this is completely legal as they do not dictate testing regulation.

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As I said, it isn't cheating but it's acting like a bunch of arseholes about an agreement.

As for BAR, we dont know yet... at the end of the day, 5kg underweight is still 5kg, the rule isnt 595kg...

We will have to wait and see what the verdict is.

How does it make them @#$%&? its not fair for bridgestone to be limited when they have 3 cars against 7!!! if they all do 100km of testing (example) michelin get 700km of data and bridgestone would only get 300km of data.

at the end of the day, it doesnt matter if the almighty covfan doesnt agree with it, its still legal!!

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/04/2005 07:43PM by mad otter.

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> and Renault has cheated too their rearwing was
> moving but they changed it before Imola .
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flexing???
If so check the FW27... the rear flipups were flexing like @#$%&! as was the front wing...

check any 04 onboard vids of the FW26 and the flex is soooooooooooo massive... but they changed from Melbourne onwards, but was still bad..

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

how is this alonso not being ble to take pressure? he soaked it up like a sponge in water at Imola

Sim

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If hes not under pressure, why not keep you head down and try and get on with the job? Why start accusing other teams of cheating... hes cracking...

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How does it make them @#$%&? its not fair for bridgestone to be limited when they have 3 cars against 7!!! if they all do 100km of testing (example) michelin get 700km of data and bridgestone would only get 300km of data.

at the end of the day, it doesnt matter if the almighty covfan doesnt agree with it, its still legal!!

poor bridgestone. they should builld better tyres/team that others want to work with. if they complain of lack of testing time compared to michelin then its their own fault.
sure its legal. but ungentlemanly like

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I have heard that Renault team is the one that gave the tip to FIA that BAR is cheating ( Renault has two former BAR employds from last year in their team now)

F*ck briatore and f*ck alonso.. bunch of nobheadstudents!!

nobheadstudents

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"If hes not under pressure, why not keep you head down and try and get on with the job? Why start accusing other teams of cheating... hes cracking..."

like ferrari accusing michelin of cheating in 2003? what goes around comes around

Sim

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to be honest alonso is right

it may not be cheating in the real term of the word,

but when every other team is keeping to a set day of testing per season, and ferrari just ignore that then they are getting unfair advantage

it will just make it a hollow championship for them if they win


like chelsea's premiership title is hollow as they bourght it for 680 million

To be fair, any driver could have told you this. Not just Alonso. I'm pretty sure Fisichella would say the same, and even Narain Karthikeyan would agree. Ferrari have had 30 days of testing and are continuing to test where and when they want. It's not far on the other teams, and it's not fair on the drivers.

However, it raises an interesting point. Renault (and Toyota, actually) have both started 2005 better than they've ever started a year. Renault, in particular, stand a good chance of winning the title this year. If you were in charge at Renault, would you give in to the "gentleman's agreement" and test at any expense to beat Ferrari. This is actually their best chance to win the title and they might not have a chance like this again. How badly do they want to win this title?

I think the FIA need to take a stand about that Testing Rule and take control of it. But I suppose Ferrari aren't forcing all the other teams to accept the agreement. Those who can afford it COULD opt out too, and test 365 dyas a year (or whatever)

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I don't see how it's being unable to take the pressure, more likely just trying to play games, drivers have been laying into each other for years.

If BAR are cheating then they deserve the book to be thrown at them

Ferrari have not cheated, they have been honest about the amount they test, sure the other teams have an agreement, although don't Toyota test more than they should.

If Alonso wants to say this let him, at the end of the day it's the result on the track that decides it all, and on the track he has shown he can take the pressure.... unfortunately, lol

Mad Otter, that was a very tenuous link to take up some Alonso-Bashing!

Haven't we had this conversation on 100 other threads that Ferrari are or aren't cheaters?

I'd guess that Alonso's statement was taken from a bigger statement and has been chopped to try and show Alonso complaining ahead of his home GP!

As for alonso not being able to take pressure, think back 2 weeks and to the lovely circuit of Imola.

Saturday, Schuey lost it in qualifying and goes wide (could schuey take the pressure?)....

Sunday, Alonso held off the reigning world champion over a number of laps to take a fantastic race win (and arguably the most exciting race finish of the last 5 years!). (could alonso take the pressure?)......

I would say both MS and FA can take pressure, if you are considering word/mind games to be a sign of not being able to take pressure, schuey has pretty much been unable to take pressure all his career!