sato the most feared driver in f1
Posted by rapid_f1
Point is, how do you know what Senna would be like in the modern era of grand prix racing? !994 is when refuelling was introduced, 1994 was when Ayrton Senna died. The current set of rules just aren't as conducive to the sort of racing you used to get.
Yup, but he was also driving agsisnt greats like Surtees and Graham Hill...not drivers like Ralf Schumacher and Rubens Barrichello, who i fear are both just going to fade awayy into the "also ran" categery
Whilst i agree with you to a degree, there is always that 'different era' stuff. Everything is relative. Clark was as superior if not more so to Hill/Surtees as Schumacher is to his contemporaries, so why not belittle them? Taking it to extremes, but you can see the point.
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Yup, but he was also driving agsisnt greats like Surtees and Graham Hill...not drivers like Ralf Schumacher and Rubens Barrichello, who i fear are both just going to fade awayy into the "also ran" categery
Whilst i agree with you to a degree, there is always that 'different era' stuff. Everything is relative. Clark was as superior if not more so to Hill/Surtees as Schumacher is to his contemporaries, so why not belittle them? Taking it to extremes, but you can see the point.
Ross Brawn does get a lot of credit.
he is obviously very good strategy-wise. but it is because he has michael to do the driving that he can actually employ the strategy because michael can make it work. he even said so himself. he wouldn't have tried half the strategies with other drivers. he has helped michael win races that by rights he shouldn't have won.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
he is obviously very good strategy-wise. but it is because he has michael to do the driving that he can actually employ the strategy because michael can make it work. he even said so himself. he wouldn't have tried half the strategies with other drivers. he has helped michael win races that by rights he shouldn't have won.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
he is obviously very good strategy-wise. but it is because he has michael to do the driving that he can actually employ the strategy because michael can make it work
This is exactly what I was going to say in response to LS's comment. You seem to forget that it's actually Michael driving the damn car out there! I fully appreciate Ross Brawn's genius, but there comes a point where he ceases to influence the result of a Grand Prix, and beyond that point, it's all down to who is behind the wheel. And it just so happens that in employing some of his tactical masterstrokes, he has the fastest driver in the world in the car, on whom he can rely to pull it off. I don't care if you're sick and tired of hearing it, but I'll mention Hungary 1998 again. I'm pretty adament that nobody else on this planet could have done what Michael did during that race.
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This is exactly what I was going to say in response to LS's comment. You seem to forget that it's actually Michael driving the damn car out there! I fully appreciate Ross Brawn's genius, but there comes a point where he ceases to influence the result of a Grand Prix, and beyond that point, it's all down to who is behind the wheel. And it just so happens that in employing some of his tactical masterstrokes, he has the fastest driver in the world in the car, on whom he can rely to pull it off. I don't care if you're sick and tired of hearing it, but I'll mention Hungary 1998 again. I'm pretty adament that nobody else on this planet could have done what Michael did during that race.
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stick ross at renault and get them front runners and watch alonso do the same
even michael relies on ross to get him out of trouble and recently referred to ross as the stradegy master
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even michael relies on ross to get him out of trouble and recently referred to ross as the stradegy master
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another thing is that ross had calculated for rubens to finish 2nd behind michael and he said that his numbers added up to that result except rubens had brake problems and went off thereby ruining ross plan for a 1-2
ross won that race for ferrari more than michael did,
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ross won that race for ferrari more than michael did,
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ross won that race for ferrari more than michael did
well not really. michael did actually drive the car. they won it equally for ferrari, neither one did more than the other. without Ross, Michael would have been a bit stuck, without Michael to carry out the strategy, Ross' plan wouldn;t have worked.
and yes Hungary '98 was fantastic strategy and driving. Ross said to michael after his stop, "you've got 17 laps to make up 19 seconds", or something like that, and he did it.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
well not really. michael did actually drive the car. they won it equally for ferrari, neither one did more than the other. without Ross, Michael would have been a bit stuck, without Michael to carry out the strategy, Ross' plan wouldn;t have worked.
and yes Hungary '98 was fantastic strategy and driving. Ross said to michael after his stop, "you've got 17 laps to make up 19 seconds", or something like that, and he did it.
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well not really. michael did actually drive the car. they won it equally for ferrari, neither one did more than the other. without Ross, Michael would have been a bit stuck, without Michael to carry out the strategy, Ross' plan wouldn;t have worked.
given the pace of rubens during the race then anyone else could have done the same with that stradegy as michael
rubens was right with him
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given the pace of rubens during the race then anyone else could have done the same with that stradegy as michael
rubens was right with him
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well not really. michael did actually drive the car. they won it equally for ferrari, neither one did more than the other.
well thats just it is'nt it & why michael statistically might be the best, he is'nt revered like the other great drivers
prost, senna, mansell, piquet never needed input like michael has had from ross to help him win races he would'nt normally win
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well thats just it is'nt it & why michael statistically might be the best, he is'nt revered like the other great drivers
prost, senna, mansell, piquet never needed input like michael has had from ross to help him win races he would'nt normally win
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>Re: sato the most feared driver in f1
>Posted by: Imran (IP Logged)
>Date: June 15, 2004 12:18AM
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>ross isnt a genius..he did a an apprentiship...im doing bsc..so im a bigger genius
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Well Why don't you go to a F1 team and tell em "I'm a better tactitian than Ross Brawn so take me on and I'll make you win"...get serious
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>Posted by: Imran (IP Logged)
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>ross isnt a genius..he did a an apprentiship...im doing bsc..so im a bigger genius
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>Edited 1 times. Last edit at 06/15/04 12:18AM by Imran.
Well Why don't you go to a F1 team and tell em "I'm a better tactitian than Ross Brawn so take me on and I'll make you win"...get serious
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As far as Ross Brawn goes - How many times do you hear the commentators say that when Ross tells Michael they need to build a **** second gap and Michael does it. That is talent and team work. You don't always need to drive the car flat out to win. Dude modern F1 is all about smoothness and subtlety
all that proves is that michael is'nt driving on the limit then, you cant drive flat out and then once get the word to speed up miraculously gain a second a lap
what rubbish
As far as Michael's early years - Notice was served when he arrived at Spa 1991
despite the fact Ross brawn was already there,
what arrogance
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all that proves is that michael is'nt driving on the limit then, you cant drive flat out and then once get the word to speed up miraculously gain a second a lap
what rubbish
As far as Michael's early years - Notice was served when he arrived at Spa 1991
despite the fact Ross brawn was already there,
what arrogance
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all that proves is that michael is'nt driving on the limit then, you cant drive flat out and then once get the word to speed up miraculously gain a second a lap
Its been said from drivers after races that that they are pacing themselves and not driving flat out as in qualifying. If the driver did a good race they sometimes say that they drove the whole race as they do in qualifying. i.e-absolutely flat out.
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Its been said from drivers after races that that they are pacing themselves and not driving flat out as in qualifying. If the driver did a good race they sometimes say that they drove the whole race as they do in qualifying. i.e-absolutely flat out.
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so thats what michael does then, so why is that any different to the rest of the drivers
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You don't always have to drive flat out to do well in a race. After all, there's a limit to how fast you can go. After you reach a certain limit you're probably going to start ruining tyres and brakes and not looking after the car as much as you could in favour of an extra few tenths a lap. Michael has the ability to go incredibly quick when he really needs to do it, such as in Montreal. If he's up at the front, he doesn't need to drive totally flat out, he just needs to drive as quick as possible within the limits of the car.
On the subject of Ross Brawn : Modern F1 is now vastly different to that of 15 years ago when we had Mansell, Piquet, Prost, Senna etc on the scene. Due to the fact that overtaking is hard, races are won and lost in the pits, as you all know. In some ways the role of the tactician in modern F1 is kind of like that of the spotter in NASCAR. Brawn sits on the pit wall, armed with lots of data (and a banana) and calculates where Michael needs to be and when. It's up to Michael to put the plan into action. There's no way Michael would be able to do it all on his own, because at the end of the day it's Ross who decides how much fuel goes into the car, and this determines where the car will come out on the track relatives to its rivals, and also when the next stop will be. It's Ross who decides this, and Michael who executes it. Obviously Michael likes to be aware of what he's doing (he's often on the radio asking about other people in the race and how/where they are), but to give just Ross credit for it would be horribly incorrect. Like many others have said above me, Michael is the one who has to carry out this plan and drive the car at the most appropriate speed at the most appropriate time. Once again, Hungary '98 was a masterpiece of creative driving and strategy. Ross couldn't have done that with Rubens, and Michael couldn't have done it without Ross.
I think some people on this forum suffer a very blinkered view of M Schumacher. I'm by no means a big fan of his, but I can totally respect what's done in terms of results and how he has achieved most of them. Forget Adelaide '94 and Jerez '97, Michael doesn't need to do that anymore. On the track, he's the quickest and most clued-in guy out there in the most well-built car, with the best strategist working for him. He certainly gets my respect for building that team around him, and then using this team to its maximum potential.
On the subject of Ross Brawn : Modern F1 is now vastly different to that of 15 years ago when we had Mansell, Piquet, Prost, Senna etc on the scene. Due to the fact that overtaking is hard, races are won and lost in the pits, as you all know. In some ways the role of the tactician in modern F1 is kind of like that of the spotter in NASCAR. Brawn sits on the pit wall, armed with lots of data (and a banana) and calculates where Michael needs to be and when. It's up to Michael to put the plan into action. There's no way Michael would be able to do it all on his own, because at the end of the day it's Ross who decides how much fuel goes into the car, and this determines where the car will come out on the track relatives to its rivals, and also when the next stop will be. It's Ross who decides this, and Michael who executes it. Obviously Michael likes to be aware of what he's doing (he's often on the radio asking about other people in the race and how/where they are), but to give just Ross credit for it would be horribly incorrect. Like many others have said above me, Michael is the one who has to carry out this plan and drive the car at the most appropriate speed at the most appropriate time. Once again, Hungary '98 was a masterpiece of creative driving and strategy. Ross couldn't have done that with Rubens, and Michael couldn't have done it without Ross.
I think some people on this forum suffer a very blinkered view of M Schumacher. I'm by no means a big fan of his, but I can totally respect what's done in terms of results and how he has achieved most of them. Forget Adelaide '94 and Jerez '97, Michael doesn't need to do that anymore. On the track, he's the quickest and most clued-in guy out there in the most well-built car, with the best strategist working for him. He certainly gets my respect for building that team around him, and then using this team to its maximum potential.
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