EUROPEAN GP *SPOILER* PRAC/QUALY/RACE

Vader Wrote:
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> If you watch older GPs you will see lots of
> situations/moves/accidents like we saw today (or
> last week). Even the greatest did crash - just
> watch Senna, Hunt or G. Villneuve (to name only a
> few). In the 70s and 80s nobody would have
> complained about incidents like that. That we do
> maybe shows how sterile F1 has become. I rather
> see drivers risking something (even if it means
> they take each other out) then a boring 60 lap
> driver parade on a track that has as much
> character as Britney Spears brains.
>


Ok, Vader, don't be so harsh on Nurbür :P
But ok race, can't really expect much of F1 these days. Juan is completely to blame, Takuma too. I was sorry for Kimi...now that he deserves a podium finnish (ha, see the little playing with words? ), he doesn't get it.
I'm mad at Rubinho...that driver that was once very good and with a very bright future is gone. Just it, gone.

true braking and accelerating at the same time like some drivers do will put undue stress on the engine,

but this is michaels driving stlye 0 and that ferrari is bullet proof.

double post.


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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/31/2004 11:51AM by Palomino.

Pooky Wrote:
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> true braking and accelerating at the same time
> like some drivers do will put undue stress on the
> engine,
>
> but this is michaels driving stlye 0 and that
> ferrari is bullet proof.
>
>
not the last i shot at it it wasnt...




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fix. your. sig.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/31/2004 02:07PM by ChrisB.

My two cents.

Sato screwed the pooch.

How ever highly you rate Button he's been gifted two podiums now by Sato errors and engines.

When is Frank(Williams) gonna get some people in that car that can drive!?

bollocks has he been gifted the podiums

sato screwed up and in bahrain button was right behind sato before his gurney flap came off and he would have passed him in pitstops

O.K. Button wasn't gifted two podiums; he was handed them on a platter! Don't get me wrong, I think button is good. (as opposed to great) And am just very frustrated with Sato being unable to take the next step and get on that podium for whatever reason.

Button was handed this one, but not the last one in Bahrain, he was faster than Sato ffs

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My love’s subliminal

Nope, I refuse to accept that.

"FRIDAY PRACTICE 1-

1 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 1:32.158

2 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 1:32.651

3 35 Anthony Davidson BAR-Honda 1:32.958

4 3 Juan Pablo Montoya Williams-BMW 1:33.027

5 9 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 1:33.898

6 5 David Coulthard McLaren-Mercedes 1:34.023

7 38 Ricardo Zonta Toyota 1:34.289

8 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 1:34.488

9 6 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 1:34.603

10 10 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 1:34.610

Button is 8 tenths quicker than Sato



FRIDAY PRACTICE 2 -

1 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 1:31.450

2 3 Juan Pablo Montoya Williams-BMW 1:31.451

3 35 Anthony Davidson BAR-Honda 1:31.488

4 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 1:31.732

5 15 Christian Klien Jaguar-Cosworth 1:31.789

6 4 Ralf Schumacher Williams-BMW 1:31.842

7 9 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 1:31.879

8 14 Mark Webber Jaguar-Cosworth 1:32.041

9 8 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:32.234

10 38 Ricardo Zonta Toyota 1:32.335

11 5 David Coulthard McLaren-Mercedes 1:32.495

12 10 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 1:32.680

Button is 8 tenths quicker than Sato again



SATURDAY PRACTICE 1 -

1 9 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 1:30.062

2 3 Juan Pablo Montoya Williams-BMW 1:30.121

3 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 1:30.545

4 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 1:30.616

5 4 Ralf Schumacher Williams-BMW 1:30.651

6 6 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 1:31.003

7 10 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 1:31.090

Button is fastest and 1 second faster than Sato



SATURDAY PRACTICE 2 -

1 9 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 1:29.552

2 4 Ralf Schumacher Williams-BMW 1:29.690

3 3 Juan Pablo Montoya Williams-BMW 1:29.696

4 10 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 1:30.239

Button is 7 tenths of a second faster than Sato



QUALYFING -

1 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 1:30.139

2 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 1:30.530

3 3 Juan Pablo Montoya Williams-BMW 1:30.581

4 4 Ralf Schumacher Williams-BMW 1:30.633

5 10 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 1:30.827

6 9 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 1:30.856

Sato faster than Button by 3 100's of a second



RACE FASTEST LAP -

5 9 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 24 15:11:16 214.393 1:30.960

6 3 Juan Pablo Montoya Williams-BMW 28 15:17:39 214.353 1:30.977

7 10 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 55 16:00:08 214.061 1:31.101

Button 2 tenths quicker fastest race lap " that was from a post by stevewallar at the time. Its pretty conclusive I'd say


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My love’s subliminal

Those figures are made up!! :p

if this is bahrain, i also overlayed both drivers race laptime graph, while they were both still active, in the race, and jenson as i said at the time was the third fastest driver over that period of time, in the race, despite what some ppl wanted to make up at the time!

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bollocks has he been gifted the podiums

sato screwed up and in bahrain button was right behind sato before his gurney flap came off and he would have passed him in pitstops

He was faster than Sato, and properlyy faster even before Satos problems, but he was handed the one in Bahrain by JPMs car failure, rather than Satos

Besides catching up on a driver is one thing. Getting past him is another. We seen it often enough that faster cars are stuck behind slower cars, so Sato might have managed to stay ahead of Button until the end of the race.

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REHAB IS FOR QUITTERS

Andy Mad, ur post nearly made my head explode trying to comprehend some of the things in it!

schumy pitted on lap 8 and without his cheats fuel it would have been lap 6, so i think its obvious he's after senna's pole record. and with someone fiddling the timing devices, it shouldn't take long :|

This would be the standard anti-schumi fanboy then i assume?

Only just watched the race. JPM's fault entirely at start, best part of race was the racing with Klien though. Sato drove well,except bit lucky that Trulli didn't want an accident at the first corner and then nearly threw Trulli off at turn 4, and the move on Rubens was never gonna happen. Barrichello was already turning into the corner as Sato came steaming in.

he was marvellously late on the brakes and still made the pass, despite chopping off his front wing.

But would he have if Rubens wasn't there to stop him?
Still, he did outperform Button.

Trulli still showing up Alonso, proving that he's still got so much to prove. McLarens just aren't even funny anymore. Another good race by Fisi too, outperformed Massa ever since Sepang. Webber had a decent race too. Overall quite a boring grand prix though.

Oh, did anybody else see the Ferrari team member who was collecting the constructors trophy, bash the man's head who was infront of him? Made me laugh




"No it's not a skirt"

i'm just glad sato has balls and dares to attack ferrari and play them at their own game. for all ralf's crashes, he wouldn't dare to attack his brother when he sat behind him at montreal last year. everyone complains we get no overtaking, but when someone gives it a go they get criticised. after all, sato did the same thing to coulthard in bahrain and it worked, so he can't be criticised for having a go here. he knew that his tyres would go off so he had to do it when he did. im not sure if being patient would have worked because RB's tyres would have come in pretty quickly.

He was faster than Rubens though, instead of going for a move that was never on, why not set Barrichello up and make a move at the Hairpin or last chicane? The BAR is mighty on the brakes and Sato was faster so in the next couple of laps he could have had a good handful of opportunities.


"No it's not a skirt"

I don't want to defend Sato here, but for me it looked as if Rubens did sleep a bit there, too. He was definitlely not looking in his mirrors, but rather cruising in sleep-mode. If he had been aware Sato was THAT close, he wouldn't have left the door that wide open and Sato would have never felt invited to make a move.

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REHAB IS FOR QUITTERS

See what your saying but in my view, Rubens was at the point where he was going into the corner and therefore didn't need to be looking in his mirrors anymore. I'd agree that he was caught out by the move, but not to the extent that he was sleeping. I imagine that as soon as Sato had started the move he knew it was never going to work, a bit like in GP4 when u go for an overtaking move and then as soon as you commit, you just know it's going to end in tears. Still, Sato saw a chance and went for it, gotta give him something for going for it at least i suppose. You live & learn. Gotta remember this is his first year at the sharp-end and so is still learning a lot.


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