GP Europa Ralf vs. Montoya

I know, put Bernoldi in a Williams and he'll make a great race to watch. For one thing he's actually passed Michael Schumacher on the race track and that's something not many people can claim this year. :p

I agree that Bernoldi is a very good driver.

I'm also not disputing the fact that Ralf is not the most agressive of drivers. I'd also like to see him taking a few more risks - but we were talking about last weekend - when the Ferraris were over a second a lap faster than than the Williams. Apart from the fact that Ralf didn't have a choice as to whether the Ferraris were coming past or not, I don't see it as a poor decision not to block his brother.

Maybe Ralf isn't as exciting to watch as other drivers, but he is still very fast and is getting the job done.




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"This is typical of the anti-schumists." I don't believe this.....no, actually I do. You bring it back to Schumacher.

As for your comments about him being a Schumacher is total crap, that's got very little to do with it. The fact remains that whether the ferrari was faster or not, he shouldnt just let it through. I'm certain JV or even MS wouldnt in that situation. He's a driver with no ambition, he has the will to race, but not the need to. He's happy to be walked all over.



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ralf is dull but solid, montoya is rarely dull but is far more likely to dump it in the barriers. Its a shame, cos i thought montoya was becoming a bit more sensible - take barcelona and austria for example - two races he knew he couldn't win so he drove sensibly and picked up two podiums when ralf dropped off. Those drives were very much in the vein of ralf. But look at him now - when he thinks he can win and it all goes pear-shaped he starts driving like a fool again!

Let me say something about ralf & monty

1. Ralf is fast and smart driver, witch is good, but hi missout on agresinon that Monty have, witch is bad.
2. Ralf is german (BMW), witch, for him is good, but for the sport is not so god, becouse fisi, weber, button are better drivers than he is, but thay can't drive for BMW cos thay aren't germans.
3. Ralf is copy of Daimon Hill, in great car, in the good day he can beat everyone
4. I didn't like Ralf until 2002 year, but he proved me wrong... but
...if it Ralf had sad that monty broke his car by hiting him we wouldn't have this discusion, would we?
Ralf makes mistakes, Austria 2002, if that was montoya no one would blame Barichelo for it, would it?
But, when monty tels somethin like that, he is full of bu*?##* o come on...

I see monty as i was seing Michael, world champion, some day...
Follow this
Allan Prost ----> Ayerton Senna ----> Michael Schumaher -----> Juan Pablo Montoya.

Did, anyone noticed that ralf was allwais beten by his teammate... I like the sportman Ralf, but not the driver...



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I'm sorry but you are talking codswallop in places there matey. Ralf is nothing like Damon Hill. Nothing like him whatsoever. On bad days Damon could still win races. Ralf needs luck to be on his side, and with this I mean the temperature (to suit his tyres) good reliability, some sort of rivalry with the driver ahead (no-one else will do, he just sits back and refuses to pass otherwise) and major major confidence.

The truth is Ralf is a below-par driver, who should, I believe, be replaced by Jenson Button in the near future. In the Brit's debut season, he outclassed Ralf by an incredible amount in the latter part of the season. Without the Williams, Ralf will be utter crap in Formula 1 I think. People like him, Rubens Barrichello, Eddie Irvine are all made by the car they drive. What is special about people like Button and Michael Schumacher is that they make the car.

i too agree that to see button in the williams would be great, but (it pains me to say it) montoya needs to alter his approach to F1

He proved he had what it takes to a brilliant driver when he was racing in america, but he seems to make school boy errors in F1 when his talent betrays these mistakes.

a few high profile people in F1 have said that he tries too hard to beat MS when he really ought to concentrate on his race performances.

we have seen how good he is when he gets pole position, but he has'nt had the experience to convert that pace and concentration into race duration.


people tend to overlook that its his second year in F1 and other drivers have excelled in their first and second years like JV.

But to be fair to JPM, JV's first season in F1 was driving in car that was the class of the field.

look back to MS's first few seasons when he was at benneton and the mistakes he made by being too exuberant and trying to beat the guys at the sharp end of grid, you can see the same pararells with JPM

he's in a similar position, the car is good under certain circumstances ( the williams chassis & the michelins) but when the combination is'nt so good he trys a bit too hard.

we can hopefully look forward to seeing JPM at his best when the tyre manufacters have got their act together consistently and bmw provide a power plant that is equal to ferrari's.

its hard to say wether or not a drivers acheivements are down to him or the varibles given in regard to tyres/chassis/race stradegy/ or a overall domination down to the whole package like what we are witnessing with ferrari this year or williams in 92/93 or mclaren in 98 when they blew the field away in the majority of the season

we can hopefully look forward to seeing JPM at his best when the tyre manufacters have got their act together consistently and bmw provide a power plant that is equal to ferrari's.

WTF, BMW have a stronger engine than Ferrari, not their fault the drivers can't use it to their advantage.

As for the tires, stop blaming them, start blaming the drivers. It's the not tires that are driving the car is it?

As for JPM, I think he's overhyped.



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As for the tires, stop blaming them, start blaming the drivers. It's the not tires that are driving the car is it?




i'm not sure which planet you inhabit, but the commentators at itv-f1 live on the planet we like to call earth.


this what martin brundle said during the race at the european gp


"Michelins perfromance fades very very quickly, one things for sure those michelins were going very slowly.
We,ve seen 2 or 3 cars spinning entering the pitlane & they were all michelin shod tyres, so quite clearly that tyre wear is'nt helping them"


this is what james allen said during the race


well the gp started out with some question marks about what would happen with the tyre wear.

would the michelins drop back and would the bridgestones move forward?, indeed that has played out to be the case"



now far be it from me to accuse you not knowing about F1 but i tend to agree with what MB & JA are saying.






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The reason Bridgestone SEEM better than Michelin is this

Bridgestone have designed a tyre around the Ferrari car - therefore it suits it perfectly, furthering the performance of, what is already the best car on the grid

Michelin have noticed that to do well you have to give each team equal treatment, and they have openly said that. Therefore, the teams are running a "generic" tyre, whilst Ferrari have a specialised one.

That has been said many times on TV by lots of people, why hasnt anyone paid attention to that?

Tyres in F1 have HUGE effects on what happens in a race- as shown by DC dropping 6 seconds a lap in Monaco! A drivers performance doesnt differ that much!

"WTF, BMW have a stronger engine than Ferrari, not their fault the drivers can't use it to their advantage."

actually the Ferraris achived better top speeds in Montreal. And how can a driver use the engine to there advantage if the car isnt as good? Or if the engine blow up!




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Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps

"I'd also like to see him taking a few more risks - but we were talking about last weekend - when the Ferraris were over a second a lap faster than than the Williams. "

So cos a cars faster (much faster) it doesnt mean you cant keep it behind.

USA 2000 was perfect example - Minardi infront of Mika, and kept him there for 3/4 laps before Mika got passed when the Minardi pitted.

Jeeze, if a Minardi driver can keep a McLaren behind, why the hell cant a driver in 2nd best car keep a driver in the best car behind?

Oh thats right.....MS can be aggressive to his bro (forcing him accross into the wall was good - dont deny that one, the pre-race build up showed the presenters saying "it was very dangerous" but of course, Ralf wont do anything to his team mate.

People moan bout JPMS first season being stupid and full of mistakes.....why dont we go through ralfs first?

Takes out his team mate in Argentina - denys fault (despite coming from a long was back and driving into the side of Fisichella). Gets a talking to from Eddie Jordan, and STILL denys fault

Nurburgring he manged to go over the top of his team mate and land on brother Micheal

Monza - coming up to the first chicane, he was along side herbert at 22mph, he slowly turned into herbert, damaging both cars, sending herbert bouncing accross the gravel at 200mph and into the barrier. Denys fault again, altho there is no contest, he tured into Herbert

Right, so what did JPM do? Shout at JV, and outbreak himself once taking MS with him. Anything else?




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"You might not have noticed in these last few years but F1 isn't totally about RACING. It's about strategy and race craft. "

Yes, correct Alex, but racecraft isnt going to come into play if MS is getting away from you is it?

""This is typical of the anti-schumists." I don't believe this.....no, actually I do. You bring it back to Schumacher."

i agree there Qwerty. We are talking about RALF here, not micheal. There is a driver in ALMS with the surname Schumacher, im pretty sure im not agaisnt him.




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Oh come on, you're nit-picking here. Either you just plain didn't understand what I meant, which I shouldn't expect you to, or you're purposefully misinterpreting what I say.

Ralf is Michael's brother... are you with me so far? The majority of this forum are prejudiced against Michael in some way or another - and therefore, in my opinion, some of this prejudice is translated over to his brother, simply for the sake of criticising a Schumacher. Unfortunately it seems clear to me that the term anti-Schumist does not only apply to Michael. That's just what I think having read most of the comments here.

I'm sorry but you are talking codswallop in places there matey. Ralf is nothing like Damon Hill. Nothing like him whatsoever. On bad days Damon could still win races

I thought for a minute that you were going to say something credible then... but.... Damon Hill better than Ralf Schumacher! Check out the qualifying stats for 1998:

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*10-9
*11-8
*9-5
7-9
8-11
15-16
*10-5
*7-6
7-21
*15-9
*5-4
4-10
3-8
*14-6
*10-6
*8-7

Ralf outqualified Hill 10 to 6. For 80% of Hill's career he had the very best car. Ralf has never had the best car, but he has still performed extremely well in my opinion. He isn't the fighter that Montoya is, but he is still very young and has a lot more in him, and so far he's collecting the points.




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ok I'm gonna apologize if I've made a mistake here (cos maybe there was a technicla problemo for Ralf today), but where is he today??? His team-mate outpaced both the Ferraris, while he was struggling to fight with the way below-par McLarens. In Canada? Although he had a late engine problem, he was crappy all day. Monaco? Montoya, MS DC and Barrichello all left him for dead. The list is endless. Yes, he's picking up the points, but through sheer luck. He finished 3rd at the Nurburgring ONLY because Montoya and DC took eachother out. He only finished 3rd at Monaco because his team-mate had an engine blowout. Ralf just can't cut the mustard in a car like a Williams, he should stick to his Jordan or a Renault.