Schumacher is crap
Posted by matthewp
brnco Wrote:
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> this thread is some sort of quarantene, so you can
> post anti schumacher posts, without infecting
> other threads. Ask Muks about it. But its a very
> good idea to keep viruses isolated.
Must...fight...temptation...to...point out...the...irony...
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> this thread is some sort of quarantene, so you can
> post anti schumacher posts, without infecting
> other threads. Ask Muks about it. But its a very
> good idea to keep viruses isolated.
Must...fight...temptation...to...point out...the...irony...
"...nothing can be done there Michael...nothing, you'll be forgotten soon..."
Hmmm...
Might be bit difficult as long there is kept information about Formula1 records, history of F1, legendary drivers and so on..
And without those we can also say there is no Formula1. It be just 1 faceless motorsport serie without its history.
Kimi, so, Massa Fernando Sebastian is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?
Hmmm...
Might be bit difficult as long there is kept information about Formula1 records, history of F1, legendary drivers and so on..
And without those we can also say there is no Formula1. It be just 1 faceless motorsport serie without its history.
however much you hate him, your grandkids will know about him as he is part of F1 history, quite a big part actually.
you will be able to pass your poisonous views about him to them, but in the end they will only see the records/facts of his career, the same way as those of us here today only know about Fangio et al from the record books, vintage photographs and the opinions of those who knew him or saw him actually race.
none of us will know how good or bad a person was without meeting them and spending time with them, the same way your grandkids will only know Schumacher is an evil man because you will tell them he was, but they don't know that for "fact", it's only your opinion and you never met him, or spent any meaningfull time with him.
for the record, everyone who has met MS say he's a very nice man, it's just his on-track ethics that may not be very good. i've never read anything about MS being a horrible man from those who have met him away from a race meeting.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/24/2007 05:55PM by Muks_C.
you will be able to pass your poisonous views about him to them, but in the end they will only see the records/facts of his career, the same way as those of us here today only know about Fangio et al from the record books, vintage photographs and the opinions of those who knew him or saw him actually race.
none of us will know how good or bad a person was without meeting them and spending time with them, the same way your grandkids will only know Schumacher is an evil man because you will tell them he was, but they don't know that for "fact", it's only your opinion and you never met him, or spent any meaningfull time with him.
for the record, everyone who has met MS say he's a very nice man, it's just his on-track ethics that may not be very good. i've never read anything about MS being a horrible man from those who have met him away from a race meeting.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/24/2007 05:55PM by Muks_C.
@ Slash, my post was aimed at Brnco who seems to think Schumacher was a bad driver, but also a bad person. i am a Schumacher fan so find his and Senna's (the forum member) attitude towards MS totally pathetic, so am trying to convince them that whatever they may think of him having never met him, people who do know MS say he's a good bloke.
Senna (forum member) and Brnco can hate him all they want for what he did on-track, but it's just plain wrong to say he was a bad person when neither have met him, and even if they have met him, they haven't spent long enough in his company to judge whether he's a good or bad person.
this started from Brnco's comments in the Prost/Senna thread where he said that no matter how much money Schumacher gave to charity, he'll never be seen as a good person the way Senna (the drive) is seen, that's what really annoyed me.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
Senna (forum member) and Brnco can hate him all they want for what he did on-track, but it's just plain wrong to say he was a bad person when neither have met him, and even if they have met him, they haven't spent long enough in his company to judge whether he's a good or bad person.
this started from Brnco's comments in the Prost/Senna thread where he said that no matter how much money Schumacher gave to charity, he'll never be seen as a good person the way Senna (the drive) is seen, that's what really annoyed me.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
@muks, no you got me all wrong there I said explicitly "Hamilton like Schumacher is briliant driver but a crap person" that was the post (I don't remember the thread that started it all.) So I do not think he was a bad driver. No, opposite, I even think he was better than Senna, He was quick, but above all he knew how to develop the car. And I will always admire his driver side. His human side however is another story. I just cannot understan how can a man drive the race and win, and then celebrate, the same day his mother died. He is a robot he isn't human.
are you blind? -no, I'm deaf, can't you see? -no, I'm blind.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/25/2007 12:30AM by brnco.
are you blind? -no, I'm deaf, can't you see? -no, I'm blind.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/25/2007 12:30AM by brnco.
oh sorry, i misquoted you a little bit.
he wasn't "happy" to race on the day his mother died, but he knew he had to race to keep his championship alive. that may seem selfish to you, and i probably couldn't go to work, nevermind drive a racing car if it happened to me, but he's a professional and racing is (was) a part of his life that meant as much to him as much as, or even more than, his family.
just imagine, had he not driven that race, he'd have missed 10 points and not won the championship that year. on the morning he might have had doubts, but look how important those 10 points were in the final standing.
he has the rest of his life to cry for his mother, he only had a small chance to win the title that year and took the decision he felt was best. if he had missed it and lost the title, he would have regretted it for the rest of the year, maybe the rest of his life. what would he have done instead of driving anyway? sit in his room and cry? what use would that have been?
you may see it as selfishness, but look at it as his enormous strength of character, he was able to do his job in a perfect way on such a traumatic day in his life, that says something about him as a human. he didn't smile or celebrate after the race, he didn't attend the press conference after the race either, but he did the job he needed to do.
i'm not saying that what he did was right, but it was a decision only he could make, and looking back, those 10 points were very very important. him not driving in that race wouldn't have brought his mother back, so he might as well have done the race.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
he wasn't "happy" to race on the day his mother died, but he knew he had to race to keep his championship alive. that may seem selfish to you, and i probably couldn't go to work, nevermind drive a racing car if it happened to me, but he's a professional and racing is (was) a part of his life that meant as much to him as much as, or even more than, his family.
just imagine, had he not driven that race, he'd have missed 10 points and not won the championship that year. on the morning he might have had doubts, but look how important those 10 points were in the final standing.
he has the rest of his life to cry for his mother, he only had a small chance to win the title that year and took the decision he felt was best. if he had missed it and lost the title, he would have regretted it for the rest of the year, maybe the rest of his life. what would he have done instead of driving anyway? sit in his room and cry? what use would that have been?
you may see it as selfishness, but look at it as his enormous strength of character, he was able to do his job in a perfect way on such a traumatic day in his life, that says something about him as a human. he didn't smile or celebrate after the race, he didn't attend the press conference after the race either, but he did the job he needed to do.
i'm not saying that what he did was right, but it was a decision only he could make, and looking back, those 10 points were very very important. him not driving in that race wouldn't have brought his mother back, so he might as well have done the race.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
Yes him not driving that race wouldn't brought his mother back, but would be a gesture that would pay a recpect to a woman who was pregnant for nine months with him, who breastfeeded him, wo brouhgt him up to became a man of his own. There is a lot of schumacher's mother inside schumacher's titles. And besides six or seven (titles) does it make a difference.
But I would like to put an end to this and move on. Besides he retired over a year ago. End of story let this utterly unimportant thread slip to p2. I regret i dig it up in the first place.
are you blind? -no, I'm deaf, can't you see? -no, I'm blind.
But I would like to put an end to this and move on. Besides he retired over a year ago. End of story let this utterly unimportant thread slip to p2. I regret i dig it up in the first place.
are you blind? -no, I'm deaf, can't you see? -no, I'm blind.
no, it's a good debate. see, we can discuss things like this in a mature way, instead of calling each other names or by just saying "Schumacher is crap!" without giving any reasoned, logical opinions why he is crap.
his mother made him who he is, so it can be argued that he showed her respect by driving, and that it would have been disrespectful not to have driven that day. she wouldn't have wanted him to miss something that he has worked all his life for, something that means so much to him, just because she died, would she?
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
his mother made him who he is, so it can be argued that he showed her respect by driving, and that it would have been disrespectful not to have driven that day. she wouldn't have wanted him to miss something that he has worked all his life for, something that means so much to him, just because she died, would she?
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
she wouldn't have wanted him to miss something that he has worked all his life for, something that means so much to him, just because she died, would she?
The Schumacher brothers even admitted that she would have wanted them to race which is why they did.
The Schumacher brothers even admitted that she would have wanted them to race which is why they did.
slicer Wrote:
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> Can we please put that all aside. i would like to
> get back to the "ORIGINAL" topic. I was reading
> along, finding this old topic a good one until
> this crap came along. I feel as if the topic just
> crashed as i cannot add to the more interesting
> topic lying beneath this.
>
> So i say, lets get back on topic!
we are on-topic, talking about whether or not Schumacher (either of them, if you so wish) is crap.
glad to hear you and your house are ok though.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
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> Can we please put that all aside. i would like to
> get back to the "ORIGINAL" topic. I was reading
> along, finding this old topic a good one until
> this crap came along. I feel as if the topic just
> crashed as i cannot add to the more interesting
> topic lying beneath this.
>
> So i say, lets get back on topic!
we are on-topic, talking about whether or not Schumacher (either of them, if you so wish) is crap.
glad to hear you and your house are ok though.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
You see Michael... ...you'll be forgotten soon...
He ment Andretti
are you blind? -no, I'm deaf, can't you see? -no, I'm blind.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/27/2007 04:11PM by brnco.
He ment Andretti
are you blind? -no, I'm deaf, can't you see? -no, I'm blind.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/27/2007 04:11PM by brnco.
You was the one who did write it! So you did actually mean Andretti insteand of Michael when you started bashing him?
Kimi, so, Massa Fernando Sebastian is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?
You was the one who did write it! So you did actually mean Andretti insteand of Michael when you started bashing him?
brnco Wrote:
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> and btw I'm not a troll, may have drinking problem
> but I'm not troll.
Might explain why you mix people (even yourself) with others.. :P
Kimi, so, Massa Fernando Sebastian is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?
brnco Wrote:
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> and btw I'm not a troll, may have drinking problem
> but I'm not troll.
Might explain why you mix people (even yourself) with others.. :P
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