Penalties for Engine Changes etc.

Hi All

Having just read about the latest penalty for Romain Grosjean, for a gearbox change, I was wondering how fair it is that the driver is penalised for a car failure in this way.

Sooner or later, a championship will be decided based on penalties.

Why not, if a change has to take place outside of the rules, instead forefit a percentage of any constructor points that the car gains over that weekend. Maybe repeat offenders get a higher percentage.

That way, a constructor failure effects the constructor...



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I think it is a really stupid rule. Is the race even its own event now, or not? The idea that you can show up for a race with equipment that is perfectly legal to the technical regulations and be penalized because it isn't the exact same piece you used two weeks ago in another country is frankly bull****.

Better is the rule NASCAR uses: if you swap out any major part of the car after quali, you're not considered to be driving the same car you qualified, so your times are completely disallowed and you're sent all the way to the back.

I think it's wrong to give penalty for a driver, team should get the penalty instead. But it has been like this for years and I don't think it will change.

But you could argue that the driver has an advantage then, because they can abuse the gearbox more whereas other drivers trying to make it last two races will be using it more carefully.

I have no problem with the rule tbh, I don't think it does any harm and does more good than bad.

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I think current engine, gearbox and tyre, etc rules don't fit for F1 at all.

In f1 point is or atleast it used to be for more than 50 years to drive fast as you can instead of saving tyres, engines and other parts in every single session.

Btw how many years there is to go before we have just 1 engine and 1 gearbox for each season?

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IWE Wrote:
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> In f1 point is or atleast it used to be for more
> than 50 years to drive fast as you can instead of
> saving tyres, engines and other parts in every
> single session.

That is not true. You couldn't just trash your equipment back in the 50'ies and 60'ies. It would break many laps before the end of the race.

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It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.

The reliability of modern F1 is pretty damed good and the penalty regs are designed to promote promote this.. So teams don't simply get into the habit of changing serviceable components.

For a industry which pushes the boundaries in technology precious little gets fed down into everyday stuff... But this will have to change.

F1 is now longer all about "build the biggest possible engine and go flat out" it's about engineering and strategy as much as it is wheel to wheel racing.

wheel to wheel racing.

Yeah, if you can use your tyres to their full potential - which in most cases you can't as the are now as delicate as a new born baby...

madotter Wrote:
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> wheel to wheel racing.
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> Yeah, if you can use your tyres to their full
> potential - which in most cases you can't as the
> are now as delicate as a new born baby...


It is thanks to the current tyres we finally have some exciting races and wheel to wheel battles, everything else are just complaints from those who can't understand how to drive with them and they should just shut up and do their homeworks better.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/18/2012 05:15PM by vesuvius.

Actually the tyres themselves are really durable... They just have a narrow widow of peak grip & performance... Which is basically exactly what F1 asked of Pirelli.

Pirelli have been brilliant... Best addition to F1 in years and well done to the teams and f1 for being brave enough to nominate whacky tyres!