btcc. do you need to be fit and in shape to race??
Posted by jonahm
gav Wrote:
>
> @Dave: Just give up. Even Cliff Richard knows your views on the BTCC.
> Just stop talking about it. It's @#$%& (and I think everyone who went
> to Knockhill agrees). But so is reality TV - it still has an audience
> though.
>
> Fact was we all enjoyed it, no matter how poor the racing technically
> was. You would have too, and having been with you to countless events
> I know that. For on-site spectators it was awesome. When you study it,
> it's a piece of piss, but you could say the same about all forms of
> motorsport if you wanted to.
Those two paragraphs are so true lol
Yes some of the driving like Neals shocker on Plato was very poor but id watch it over a procesion like ive seen in DTM this year any day.
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>
> @Dave: Just give up. Even Cliff Richard knows your views on the BTCC.
> Just stop talking about it. It's @#$%& (and I think everyone who went
> to Knockhill agrees). But so is reality TV - it still has an audience
> though.
>
> Fact was we all enjoyed it, no matter how poor the racing technically
> was. You would have too, and having been with you to countless events
> I know that. For on-site spectators it was awesome. When you study it,
> it's a piece of piss, but you could say the same about all forms of
> motorsport if you wanted to.
Those two paragraphs are so true lol
Yes some of the driving like Neals shocker on Plato was very poor but id watch it over a procesion like ive seen in DTM this year any day.
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bestobritish Wrote:
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> Yes some of the driving like Neals shocker on Plato was very poor but
> id watch it over a procesion like ive seen in DTM this year any day.
The difference is DTM isn't an expensive version of bumper cars and has big names in it not to mention drivers that actually do something with there careers. The simple fact you keep missing is that BTCC is a disgrace when it's considered the UKs premier sport. Hell half them drivers have jobs, how many people do you see in DTM working in Tescos 5 days a week?
They promote wrecks to bump viewing figures and half them wrecks (passing...) aren't deemed legal by MSA regs yet they let them happen to get the public who love to watch car smashing. Something I've never understood how they get off with, as far as I'm aware they use the same clerk of courses for all sorts of series and yet in karting they are far stricter when it's all coming out the same rule book for that part anyway...
Anyway, don't worry. Soon enough a driver will be seriously injured and all hell will break lose when it comes down to the fact that they kept getting let off with all the carnage ...
Keiran
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> Yes some of the driving like Neals shocker on Plato was very poor but
> id watch it over a procesion like ive seen in DTM this year any day.
The difference is DTM isn't an expensive version of bumper cars and has big names in it not to mention drivers that actually do something with there careers. The simple fact you keep missing is that BTCC is a disgrace when it's considered the UKs premier sport. Hell half them drivers have jobs, how many people do you see in DTM working in Tescos 5 days a week?
They promote wrecks to bump viewing figures and half them wrecks (passing...) aren't deemed legal by MSA regs yet they let them happen to get the public who love to watch car smashing. Something I've never understood how they get off with, as far as I'm aware they use the same clerk of courses for all sorts of series and yet in karting they are far stricter when it's all coming out the same rule book for that part anyway...
Anyway, don't worry. Soon enough a driver will be seriously injured and all hell will break lose when it comes down to the fact that they kept getting let off with all the carnage ...
Keiran
vMax.Keiran
Velocity Maximum Simulation Racing
www.vMaxSR.com
www.liveforspeed.net LFS Status:
DTM has hakkinen. Enough said :P
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
DaveEllis Wrote:
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> No tbh :P Nobody tells Karan not to post screens
I did actually, but there was a reason
It's just stupid that any possible opportunity you get, you make a derogatory post about the BTCC - I'm hardly a fan myself - indeed I hate it - but I don't go balling and screaming every other post about how bad it is, how it's not pure, how it Plato is a spike through the heart, and I'm willing to give it its positives when I see one, eg the trackside "entertainment" provided last weekend.
I'll turn the tables a bit - if BTCC bugs you *that* much, don't watch it or post about it.
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> No tbh :P Nobody tells Karan not to post screens
I did actually, but there was a reason
It's just stupid that any possible opportunity you get, you make a derogatory post about the BTCC - I'm hardly a fan myself - indeed I hate it - but I don't go balling and screaming every other post about how bad it is, how it's not pure, how it Plato is a spike through the heart, and I'm willing to give it its positives when I see one, eg the trackside "entertainment" provided last weekend.
I'll turn the tables a bit - if BTCC bugs you *that* much, don't watch it or post about it.
Guimengo Wrote:
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> Gav, maybe if instead of using STFU which is quite rude, if you say
> please stop talking or be quiet, or even a rude shut up, Dave would be
> more accepting of your point (even if still rejecting it :D).
>
> Alright, I don't belong here... *leaves*
You've not learnt how to talk to Dave yet, have you? This is how we chat in person too
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> Gav, maybe if instead of using STFU which is quite rude, if you say
> please stop talking or be quiet, or even a rude shut up, Dave would be
> more accepting of your point (even if still rejecting it :D).
>
> Alright, I don't belong here... *leaves*
You've not learnt how to talk to Dave yet, have you? This is how we chat in person too
The simple fact you keep missing is that BTCC is a disgrace when it's considered the UKs premier sport.
It certainly didn't get to being the UK's premier motorsport by being a "disgrace."
The BTCC is a brilliant series, it promotes action, ovetaking and proper racing. And over the years it has had its fair crop of good drivers. Yvan Muller, James Thompson, Matt Neal, Andy Priaulx all spring to mind.
And of course you have to be fit to driver a BTCC car, your average joe off the street couldn't hop in and be on the pace straight off. Three races in a day would be mentally and physically draining for any driver wishing to get to top tier motorsport.
Don't like it, don't watch it. And don't berate the people that do like it. Simple.
I have been to Snetterton and Donington this year and both have been fantastic days out and I would recommend it to anyone.
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It certainly didn't get to being the UK's premier motorsport by being a "disgrace."
The BTCC is a brilliant series, it promotes action, ovetaking and proper racing. And over the years it has had its fair crop of good drivers. Yvan Muller, James Thompson, Matt Neal, Andy Priaulx all spring to mind.
And of course you have to be fit to driver a BTCC car, your average joe off the street couldn't hop in and be on the pace straight off. Three races in a day would be mentally and physically draining for any driver wishing to get to top tier motorsport.
Don't like it, don't watch it. And don't berate the people that do like it. Simple.
I have been to Snetterton and Donington this year and both have been fantastic days out and I would recommend it to anyone.
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It certainly didn't get to being the UK's premier motorsport by being
a "disgrace."
As Dave posted above BTCC was better back in the day. Larger grids, better cars and cleaner racing than what we have now. Most drivers come to the UK or certainly Europe to move up in there racing career yet none of them want to be in the BTCC, to me that just shows the name it has built up for itself.
I've talked to many people who race at club level in karts and hill climbs and all have agreed that they don't take the BTCC seriously because of the things they get off with. It's governed by pretty much the same MSA rules used in karting and most British motorsport where this sort of behaviour would be punished heavily. The reason they don't punish them in BTCC even though they are breaking rules? Well because they want to get the interest for the average Joe who loves to see car smashing. Soon enough though someone will get hurt and then I bet things will change.
The BTCC is a brilliant series, it promotes action, overtaking and
proper racing. And over the years it has had its fair crop of good
drivers. Yvan Muller, James Thompson, Matt Neal, Andy Priaulx all
spring to mind.
It promotes car wrecking and hopeless attempts to pass. Only 3 of them have actually made it somewhere and that somewhere is the WTCC. Matt Neal isn't very special in my opinion, if he was he'd not still be in the BTCC
How many drivers go, "I want to drive in the BTCC?" Only the ones that can't get themselves into a better series.
I've talked to many people at club events who race nationally/internationally and asked them what they were looking to do and none of them, not a single one of them mentioned the BTCC. Clio Cup, Formula Renault and Formula BMW were the most popular ones that people were looking to do to try get themselves into/as close to F1 or WTCC/DTM/FIA GT etc. Obviously I'm just dumbing it down a bit as they would be looking to race in the likes of GP2 etc before heading to F1.
I very much doubt that any team bosses or managers look at the BTCC to try bring drivers up the ranks.
And of course you have to be fit to driver a BTCC car, your average
joe off the street couldn't hop in and be on the pace straight off.
Three races in a day would be mentally and physically draining for any
driver wishing to get to top tier motorsport.
Debateable. I'd be surprised if someone of reasonable fitness couldn't last 3 races. I used to do 4 and that's in something which pulls 3/4 G and has no suspension and I wasn't exactly out at the Gym everyday lifting weights. Add the fact they are known to be one of the heaviest things out there to steer since you're technically lifting the whole weight of the kart and you. I'd be surprised if a BTCC car pulls much more than 3G cornering force and the power steering will make it nice and easy on the drivers arms.
Don't like it, don't watch it. And don't berate the people that do
like it. Simple.
People can watch it if they want, to me it's on the in the background if there's nothing else on like Moto GP while I do other stuff and is a great laugh to see Tim Harvey, Mr Wrecker himself defend the clear, "I'm going through n00b!" smashes that go on in BTCC.
But if someone comes out with it's good racing, or full of lots of overtaking then I'll argue that.
Ever wander why the BTCC is in such a state? Because the fans of it enjoy the smashing attitude of it and I very much doubt independent teams can afford to be involved in that. The BTCC rules are just laughable at best when it comes down to deciding how many rows get switches, lets pull a ball out a hat... yes that's how a premier motorsport should be run... How many of the drivers in the likes of DTM are actually having to do other jobs such as working in Tescos 5 days a week to pay for there racing? None that I know of, or very few. A select few in the `UK's premier motorsport` actually take a wage from it which again highlights the lack of money in general, shows very little interest from sponsors, thus any sponsors there aren't paying as much as the teams/drivers would probably like.
Keiran
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/08/2006 08:07PM by keiran.
a "disgrace."
As Dave posted above BTCC was better back in the day. Larger grids, better cars and cleaner racing than what we have now. Most drivers come to the UK or certainly Europe to move up in there racing career yet none of them want to be in the BTCC, to me that just shows the name it has built up for itself.
I've talked to many people who race at club level in karts and hill climbs and all have agreed that they don't take the BTCC seriously because of the things they get off with. It's governed by pretty much the same MSA rules used in karting and most British motorsport where this sort of behaviour would be punished heavily. The reason they don't punish them in BTCC even though they are breaking rules? Well because they want to get the interest for the average Joe who loves to see car smashing. Soon enough though someone will get hurt and then I bet things will change.
The BTCC is a brilliant series, it promotes action, overtaking and
proper racing. And over the years it has had its fair crop of good
drivers. Yvan Muller, James Thompson, Matt Neal, Andy Priaulx all
spring to mind.
It promotes car wrecking and hopeless attempts to pass. Only 3 of them have actually made it somewhere and that somewhere is the WTCC. Matt Neal isn't very special in my opinion, if he was he'd not still be in the BTCC
How many drivers go, "I want to drive in the BTCC?" Only the ones that can't get themselves into a better series.I've talked to many people at club events who race nationally/internationally and asked them what they were looking to do and none of them, not a single one of them mentioned the BTCC. Clio Cup, Formula Renault and Formula BMW were the most popular ones that people were looking to do to try get themselves into/as close to F1 or WTCC/DTM/FIA GT etc. Obviously I'm just dumbing it down a bit as they would be looking to race in the likes of GP2 etc before heading to F1.
I very much doubt that any team bosses or managers look at the BTCC to try bring drivers up the ranks.
And of course you have to be fit to driver a BTCC car, your average
joe off the street couldn't hop in and be on the pace straight off.
Three races in a day would be mentally and physically draining for any
driver wishing to get to top tier motorsport.
Debateable. I'd be surprised if someone of reasonable fitness couldn't last 3 races. I used to do 4 and that's in something which pulls 3/4 G and has no suspension and I wasn't exactly out at the Gym everyday lifting weights. Add the fact they are known to be one of the heaviest things out there to steer since you're technically lifting the whole weight of the kart and you. I'd be surprised if a BTCC car pulls much more than 3G cornering force and the power steering will make it nice and easy on the drivers arms.
Don't like it, don't watch it. And don't berate the people that do
like it. Simple.
People can watch it if they want, to me it's on the in the background if there's nothing else on like Moto GP while I do other stuff and is a great laugh to see Tim Harvey, Mr Wrecker himself defend the clear, "I'm going through n00b!" smashes that go on in BTCC.
But if someone comes out with it's good racing, or full of lots of overtaking then I'll argue that.
Ever wander why the BTCC is in such a state? Because the fans of it enjoy the smashing attitude of it and I very much doubt independent teams can afford to be involved in that. The BTCC rules are just laughable at best when it comes down to deciding how many rows get switches, lets pull a ball out a hat... yes that's how a premier motorsport should be run... How many of the drivers in the likes of DTM are actually having to do other jobs such as working in Tescos 5 days a week to pay for there racing? None that I know of, or very few. A select few in the `UK's premier motorsport` actually take a wage from it which again highlights the lack of money in general, shows very little interest from sponsors, thus any sponsors there aren't paying as much as the teams/drivers would probably like.
Keiran
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/08/2006 08:07PM by keiran.
Why do you care? Or anyone for that matter?
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
*yawn* cant belive this thread is still going, the same @#$%& seems to be repeated all the time!
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chet Wrote:
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> Why do you care? Or anyone for that matter?
Why do I care? Is that a serious question?! I'm embarrassed to have the BTCC as the premier UK motorsport when the lower series are taking far more seriously within the motorsport ranks. How will this change? When people put pressure on the farce of an organisation that run it, problem is it attracts people who aren't interested in racing but want to see car smashing action.
bestobritish Wrote:
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>*yawn* cant belive this thread is still going, the same @#$%& seems to be repeated all the time!
The only same old @#$%& I see repeated all the time is your comments. You've yet failed to put a significant argument across and I will highlight them for you:
well then hes talking @#$%& then lol
Insightful that is...
which is exactly what they are aiming for lol no boring races like DTM *yawn*
Now I can use your earlier comment you used to defend BTCC, well then you're talking @#$%& then lol
Oh and on the topic of quality drivers in the btcc Tom Chilton who drives for vauxhall drove in the ALMS and easily led races (he might even have won at laguna seca), that must make him a really poor driver lol
So far you've managed to come up with one driver ... and this guy doesn't even want to be in the BTCC, I'm sorry to tell you Just something he ended up having to do.
Chilton planned to race in the DTM in 2005, but the demise of MG scuppered his chances
Yes some of the driving like Neals shocker on Plato was very poor but id watch it over a procesion like ive seen in DTM this year any day.
Here you go again slagging off a series which is taken 100x more seriously than the BTCC is and at the rate it's going will ever be.
*yawn* cant belive this thread is still going, the same @#$%& seems to be repeated all the time!
Another useless comment adding nothing to your argument of DTM being crap and BTCC being better.
I've talked to drivers like Ryan Sharp before and believe me no way was he looking to go into the BTCC. In case you don't know he raced for a bit in GP2, the Renault World Series if I remember correctly and now the WTCC. Know how he got there? Well heres how:
Karting
British Formula First
British Formula Ford
British Formula Renault
Italian Formula Renault & Formula Renault V6 Eurocup
Then to GP2.
So if BTCC is supposed to be the best motorsport in Brtain why didn't he go into it to prove his ability? I'll leave that for you to answer...
Keiran
vMax.Keiran
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/09/2006 03:57PM by keiran.
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> Why do you care? Or anyone for that matter?
Why do I care? Is that a serious question?! I'm embarrassed to have the BTCC as the premier UK motorsport when the lower series are taking far more seriously within the motorsport ranks. How will this change? When people put pressure on the farce of an organisation that run it, problem is it attracts people who aren't interested in racing but want to see car smashing action.
bestobritish Wrote:
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>*yawn* cant belive this thread is still going, the same @#$%& seems to be repeated all the time!
The only same old @#$%& I see repeated all the time is your comments. You've yet failed to put a significant argument across and I will highlight them for you:
well then hes talking @#$%& then lol
Insightful that is...
which is exactly what they are aiming for lol no boring races like DTM *yawn*
Now I can use your earlier comment you used to defend BTCC, well then you're talking @#$%& then lol
Oh and on the topic of quality drivers in the btcc Tom Chilton who drives for vauxhall drove in the ALMS and easily led races (he might even have won at laguna seca), that must make him a really poor driver lol
So far you've managed to come up with one driver ... and this guy doesn't even want to be in the BTCC, I'm sorry to tell you
Just something he ended up having to do.Chilton planned to race in the DTM in 2005, but the demise of MG scuppered his chances
Yes some of the driving like Neals shocker on Plato was very poor but id watch it over a procesion like ive seen in DTM this year any day.
Here you go again slagging off a series which is taken 100x more seriously than the BTCC is and at the rate it's going will ever be.
*yawn* cant belive this thread is still going, the same @#$%& seems to be repeated all the time!
Another useless comment adding nothing to your argument of DTM being crap and BTCC being better.
I've talked to drivers like Ryan Sharp before and believe me no way was he looking to go into the BTCC. In case you don't know he raced for a bit in GP2, the Renault World Series if I remember correctly and now the WTCC. Know how he got there? Well heres how:
Karting
British Formula First
British Formula Ford
British Formula Renault
Italian Formula Renault & Formula Renault V6 Eurocup
Then to GP2.
So if BTCC is supposed to be the best motorsport in Brtain why didn't he go into it to prove his ability? I'll leave that for you to answer...
Keiran
vMax.Keiran
Velocity Maximum Simulation Racing
www.vMaxSR.com
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/09/2006 03:57PM by keiran.
Like you said people dont consider it serious.
Now, the clever poeple with real Motorsport knowledge, ie the poeple that matter will have the same view as you, right? I mean they should do if what yr saying is true about the btcc, in which it is
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
Now, the clever poeple with real Motorsport knowledge, ie the poeple that matter will have the same view as you, right? I mean they should do if what yr saying is true about the btcc, in which it is
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
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