new tracks: accurate monza 67 and anderstorp 78
Posted by caiweikang
AAS said:@Augusto
The life was much better in the good old GP2 community .
that's right, isn't it ?
That for shure my friend
. Unfortunally that days are gone... in this case the problem is that "our" friend caiewecang has his little site so i doubt he will think it twice and act like he should act...
The life was much better in the good old GP2 community .
that's right, isn't it ?
That for shure my friend
. Unfortunally that days are gone... in this case the problem is that "our" friend caiewecang has his little site so i doubt he will think it twice and act like he should act...lol, right, as i dont use this forum to much i forgot the profile thing thanks for the info
Why you just dont post "i dont care who is the author of the track or what they put in the readme about editing his work, i will edit anyway and claim it is my work". that will be a sincerously post.
Also it will be nice to know your real name.
I have to go to sleep now, see you tomorrow, i hope you dream with angels and have a good night. cya
Post Edited (04-11-04 05:52)
Why you just dont post "i dont care who is the author of the track or what they put in the readme about editing his work, i will edit anyway and claim it is my work". that will be a sincerously post.
Also it will be nice to know your real name.
I have to go to sleep now, see you tomorrow, i hope you dream with angels and have a good night. cya
Post Edited (04-11-04 05:52)
Hi
as someone said, this is a little family, and like every family there should be some little common rules for a friendly living. Being this and every community made by people who spend their free time to make something good, I think a general respect is needed. There's no need to write a code of law to respect each other.
The problem is not a matter of copyright, because our works are free works, but anyway a little respect to the other authors is accepted, at least for a future cooperation or an exchange of info and so on.... If you want to use a work of another authors for a better version or a covnversion it is good to give him a call in advance or at least, if it's impossible to contact him, post in a forum the intention with a reasonable advance, so there will be the time for everyone to recognize the situation and avoid bad events like this one.
In example when I downloaded the new version of Anderstop reading "it is based on Melbourne and it has nothing to do with the Dewey's track" I fell from my chair when i discovered that the track was the same. I raced on the original track a few days ago and I compared them.
I'm not interested if Augusto doesn't want that everyone touch his tracks, this is another matter and can be solved in a pacific way, but this episode is no good. If everyone will feel free to do what he want this community will fall into something like anarchy and many authors can decide to stop they works or think twice before upload something.
Ok Caweikang still say he is right. Well, tomorrow I will upload my personal version of Macau sayng it is mine (track + jams) and based on the original Hockenheim. I'm curious to know what Shubert could say if he doen't agree.
@ AAS
yes you asked me the permission for Nivelles but I discovered by myself the other tracks. It is always very sad when you find your works with other names in a so suddenly way.
Personally I don't care about the permission to use my tracks. The only thing I ask is to be informed in advance just to know what I have to expect. As you now explained me your intention feel free to convert them.
Although all this... all have a nice sunday
as someone said, this is a little family, and like every family there should be some little common rules for a friendly living. Being this and every community made by people who spend their free time to make something good, I think a general respect is needed. There's no need to write a code of law to respect each other.
The problem is not a matter of copyright, because our works are free works, but anyway a little respect to the other authors is accepted, at least for a future cooperation or an exchange of info and so on.... If you want to use a work of another authors for a better version or a covnversion it is good to give him a call in advance or at least, if it's impossible to contact him, post in a forum the intention with a reasonable advance, so there will be the time for everyone to recognize the situation and avoid bad events like this one.
In example when I downloaded the new version of Anderstop reading "it is based on Melbourne and it has nothing to do with the Dewey's track" I fell from my chair when i discovered that the track was the same. I raced on the original track a few days ago and I compared them.
I'm not interested if Augusto doesn't want that everyone touch his tracks, this is another matter and can be solved in a pacific way, but this episode is no good. If everyone will feel free to do what he want this community will fall into something like anarchy and many authors can decide to stop they works or think twice before upload something.
Ok Caweikang still say he is right. Well, tomorrow I will upload my personal version of Macau sayng it is mine (track + jams) and based on the original Hockenheim. I'm curious to know what Shubert could say if he doen't agree.
@ AAS
yes you asked me the permission for Nivelles but I discovered by myself the other tracks. It is always very sad when you find your works with other names in a so suddenly way.
Personally I don't care about the permission to use my tracks. The only thing I ask is to be informed in advance just to know what I have to expect. As you now explained me your intention feel free to convert them.
Although all this... all have a nice sunday
@ R_Scandura
Thank you
Thank you
From RSC forum:
abcdeg said:
you have never made the sweden track.
Don't envy me just because you suck.
Damn! Is this an X-File? I have this track since a year or more. This track came from the future? Who made it? I'm scared! Please call Fox Mulder!!!
I'm the main creator of recent gp3 tracks and I believe the number of tracks I created is larger than that of any other person.
Humility...this unknown
...and I modify any track as I wish.
(no words)
Caweikang, some days ago you looked a different person, at least a little more polite. Is someone cloning your accounts and posting all this material or is this the real appearence of you? I hope for the first option, because otherwise I don't know how to express my sadness....
@ AAS
I read that you found some pictures about Croix where is possible to notice heights and local adverts. Where can I find them? I found only an aereal pic and the heights are not detailed.
bye
Post Edited (04-11-04 14:21)
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abcdeg said:
you have never made the sweden track.
Don't envy me just because you suck.
Damn! Is this an X-File? I have this track since a year or more. This track came from the future? Who made it? I'm scared! Please call Fox Mulder!!!
I'm the main creator of recent gp3 tracks and I believe the number of tracks I created is larger than that of any other person.
Humility...this unknown
...and I modify any track as I wish.
(no words)
Caweikang, some days ago you looked a different person, at least a little more polite. Is someone cloning your accounts and posting all this material or is this the real appearence of you? I hope for the first option, because otherwise I don't know how to express my sadness....
@ AAS
I read that you found some pictures about Croix where is possible to notice heights and local adverts. Where can I find them? I found only an aereal pic and the heights are not detailed.
bye
Post Edited (04-11-04 14:21)
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quote: The_unamed_Starfish
caiweikang - You were wrong to do this track edit without asking Mr. Dewey's permission - and since it is quite clear that he will not give you permission after your tirades of abuse against him, i feel you should delete it from your website
aedewey - does that sound a reasonable compromise to you.
Yes, after all is what i requested in my first post of this loooong topic
As i said i am sorry but in general i don´t like people edit or convert my work, if you read other readme files like belini tracks, ralph hummerich carsets or calimbo carskins for example they dont like that people use their work as base for his own work, you can agree with that or not, but if you want to keep it friendly at least give it a try and ask first (as Roberto said). Other authors has no problems but at least they want to be informed if someone change his work. Just take 5 seconds of your time and you can check this. And beleive me in other games it is the same.... in general people release addons but dont like that other ones work over them or at least they want that his names stay as original author
I don´t know if caiweikang has asked or informed other authors and it is not my problem, but in this case i never was asked and worst later he claims it is his original work. People that test both tracks has confirmed that i was not wrong.
It is not the first time i have problems with this topic, and i feel some time ago that it was going worst and there weren´t rules over this topic so i feel make tracks and release them was a waste of time, after all always there will be someone that will take your work an change it, and looks like people forget authors quickly. So why spend so many hours if finally you will maybe receive 4-5 thanks a lot and later other ones with a 10% of your efort will receive also 4-5 thanks a lot...
For example starchild converted some of warren jenks tracks, maybe it was ok because warren unfortunally disapear, so there was no way to contact him, at least in that case after i contact starchild he includes warren´s gp2readme in the zip files. But the ones that are over crammond´s games since the gp2 days remember all the time Warren spended in that great tracks. Now looks like no one never take in mind that many of the tracks that are out there were constructed by him. Or the kyalami track that is based on arron woods gp2 one, i remember he was macking that track and searching for information for over 6 months and it was one of the best tracks ever released for that game in my opinion. Now no credit for Arron, looks like no one remember him. I hope you understand this examples and my points. You can critized me for be a little nostalgic but not for saying something that is not true
In conclusion i will be happy if caiweikang removes this track. He can make his own anderstorp if he wants, and he can make his own jams if he wants. That will be ok for me.
Post Edited (04-11-04 16:31)
caiweikang - You were wrong to do this track edit without asking Mr. Dewey's permission - and since it is quite clear that he will not give you permission after your tirades of abuse against him, i feel you should delete it from your website
aedewey - does that sound a reasonable compromise to you.
Yes, after all is what i requested in my first post of this loooong topic
As i said i am sorry but in general i don´t like people edit or convert my work, if you read other readme files like belini tracks, ralph hummerich carsets or calimbo carskins for example they dont like that people use their work as base for his own work, you can agree with that or not, but if you want to keep it friendly at least give it a try and ask first (as Roberto said). Other authors has no problems but at least they want to be informed if someone change his work. Just take 5 seconds of your time and you can check this. And beleive me in other games it is the same.... in general people release addons but dont like that other ones work over them or at least they want that his names stay as original author
I don´t know if caiweikang has asked or informed other authors and it is not my problem, but in this case i never was asked and worst later he claims it is his original work. People that test both tracks has confirmed that i was not wrong.
It is not the first time i have problems with this topic, and i feel some time ago that it was going worst and there weren´t rules over this topic so i feel make tracks and release them was a waste of time, after all always there will be someone that will take your work an change it, and looks like people forget authors quickly. So why spend so many hours if finally you will maybe receive 4-5 thanks a lot and later other ones with a 10% of your efort will receive also 4-5 thanks a lot...
For example starchild converted some of warren jenks tracks, maybe it was ok because warren unfortunally disapear, so there was no way to contact him, at least in that case after i contact starchild he includes warren´s gp2readme in the zip files. But the ones that are over crammond´s games since the gp2 days remember all the time Warren spended in that great tracks. Now looks like no one never take in mind that many of the tracks that are out there were constructed by him. Or the kyalami track that is based on arron woods gp2 one, i remember he was macking that track and searching for information for over 6 months and it was one of the best tracks ever released for that game in my opinion. Now no credit for Arron, looks like no one remember him. I hope you understand this examples and my points. You can critized me for be a little nostalgic but not for saying something that is not true
In conclusion i will be happy if caiweikang removes this track. He can make his own anderstorp if he wants, and he can make his own jams if he wants. That will be ok for me.
Post Edited (04-11-04 16:31)
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