Carlitox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Maybe I'm wrong and overreacting (many of us are), > but I think a second spin could have been > expected. Given the characteristics of the Dunlop > curve and the fact that the track was soaking wet, > at the very least a car could have ended on the > gravel trap. However, I still think Bianchiby Morbid - F1
I don't know what you mean by inappropriate position. As long as the JCB is on the other side of the tyre barrier, this could have happened. If the marshalls had 15-20 seconds more, then it have exited the area. The only thing I can see, is that you consider it inappropriate to have machinery working, unless the SC is deployed. That would be a totally new development in how races are held.by Morbid - F1
I saw an 8 minute video recorded after the ambulance left the scene. They had some 20 marshalls milling about trying to clean up the crash site and put the car back together.by Morbid - F1
Apparantly, there will be no more news on Bianchi's condition for 24 hours.by Morbid - F1
We have had 20 years were we have gotten it pretty right when it comes to safety. There will always be risk, serious accidents... and there will always be fatalities. It's terrible, but there is no reason to get the lynch mob rallied hours after the accident. Charlie certainly had the safety car on track more than the drivers wanted that day, the radio messages made that quiet clear. I willby Morbid - F1
gav Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We don't know that. If it had been deployed > straight away, who knows when the delta kicks in. > It might not have stopped Bianchi going off, but > it's going to sit heavily on Charlie's head that > it could have done. When have we ever had a SC deployed straight away? It doesn't haby Morbid - F1
It seems you are right. The position of the car at the crash site suggests his trajectory was along the tarmac portion. Italian and French TV are reporting that Bianchi never stopped breathing of his own accord. Salo has been quoted for stating that Bianchi suffered an impact to the head.by Morbid - F1
What I find disturbing, is that AFIAK, that corner used to have gravel traps instead of run off tarmac. If Bianchi's car aquaplaned then the run-off tarmac did nothing at all to ameliorate the impact. You can't aquaplane on gravel and it would have slowed him down. As I have seen no skid marks on the crash site, I find it highly likely that this is the first case of run-off tarmac beingby Morbid - F1
They don't do that. Hamilton said, that the marshalls did exactly what they always do. It's standard procedure. And we all know, that even if the SC comes out, the drivers race full bore until they reach traffic and que up, or when they have to take the mandated delta time into consideration. With the current procedures, it is a freak accident. Perhaps we should have the same recovery vby Morbid - F1
Given that there Sutil and Bianchi were on the same spot, and some 20-25 seconds into the lap at the accident point, there would have been less than 90-100 seconds to get the safety car out, measuring from when Sutil spun to the point where the Bianchi would pass the pit exit. That includes the time it takes for the marshalls to check on Sutils car, report back to HQ, deliberation time, communicaby Morbid - F1
Regarding the decision to not hold the race earlier, the reason was that the vast majority of spectators arrive at Suzuka by train. When you buy a train ticket there, it is stamped for the time you specify. Which means that those that already had bought train tickets would be in a pinch, and the organizers feared mass refunding due to the audience not being able to get train tickets to arrive onby Morbid - F1
SchueyFan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Race control's decision not to put out the SC is > more under question I would say. There was double yellow at that section, so drivers are tasked to reduced speed and even be prepared to come to a full stop. Sutil has reported that several drivers went full bore through the corner while the marshalls worby Morbid - F1
L'Equipe reports that Jules has arrived at Mie University hospital, which is 15 km from the track. Also, Daily Mail apparantly decided to pull some of the pictures. According to Hartstein, who wrote the code on these situations, the Chief Medical Officer can decide to go on with the race, when the helicopter cannot fly, IF the drive to the nearest capable hospital is less than 20 minutes.by Morbid - F1
That is the same pictures I have seen. The scratches on top of the monocoque right in front of the driver well is what has me really worried. It shows how deeply the car was wedged under the truck.by Morbid - F1
I have seen pictures where the car was wedged under the truck, angled back and side first. I have also seen pictures of the medical team working on him in the car. The airbox was not on the car. You could see the engine. I won't post the link to those pictures. If you want to see them, throw me a pm.by Morbid - F1
They had to cut the car to extract him. That is not all that uncommon when the medical team wants to be sure that they do not risk spinal problems. So that by itself does not relate much more than we already know.by Morbid - F1
gav Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The helicopter never made it to the track. Ted > Kravitz was reporting from the compound where the > helicopter is kept (it was taking off during his > notebook after qualifying). Sky broadcast the FIA > representative briefing the press about Bianchi, > so it's not just reporting, it's the oby Morbid - F1
Gary Hartsteins tweets are disheartening. I shall refrain from repeating them here. Those that want to read them know how to find them.by Morbid - F1
Thanks for the clarification on the heli. Diax F1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In the Sky coverage I couldn't even see Bianchi's > car - did he end up under the truck? Seriously > hope Jules is alright. It does not look like the truck ran over the car, thank God, but there is really not much left of that Marussia. From the positioniby Morbid - F1
Reports are that Bianchi was not conscious when they extracted him from the car, and that he was not dispatched from the track by helicopter. I have no idea why. I have seen some pictures of the accident. I am very sad to say this, but Bianchi will be very lucky if he gets away from this with a severe concussion. The point of impact on the recovery vehicle is pretty much as bad as it gets.by Morbid - F1
The way the marshalls moved was very worrying. Hope it is not as serious as it looks.by Morbid - F1
Red flag. Looks to be a boring episode. The two hour clock is running and there is no relief from the rain in sight. I predict half points will be awarded.by Morbid - F1
Yup. I think that the drivers market is going to open up now and things are going to move pretty fast now.by Morbid - F1
mitadumapaga Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > well Morbid, maybe you are correct. The others in > the forum have to say how they remember the > situation. I personally, have very fond memories > how the BBC commentators said that it was vettel > who moved to the right and took webber. And then > they were surprised that the team said that mby Morbid - F1
gav Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Immediately before the interview with Wolff was > broadcast Coulthard says, while watching the > incident: > > "Nico tries to run it around the outside, he's > just not far enough, he takes a turn away, he > turns back again. In fairness the drivers can't > see the front wing - Iby Morbid - F1
Well, that is pretty clear apportioning of blame after the podium ceremony. It's weird because Toto did an interview about 5 meters from that spot before the ceremony, where he was admant on not assigning blame, and pointed to after the meeting for a statement. The only thing I can see that could have changed his mind was the booing. I do hold that it shouldn't happen like that. Therby Morbid - F1
gav Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You didn't see the English interviews immediately > after the race. Toto suggested that Nico was to > blame without saying it outright, but Niki came > out and said it very matter of fact (as we've come > to expect from him). Ehh, as far as I know, I linked to the Toto interview and he said noby Morbid - F1
mitadumapaga Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > actually red bull pointed the finger at Mark > Webber. This pretty much tells you that there was > a favoured driver in the team. Mercedes did > exactly the same with nico, namely, point the > finger straight after the race, withouth team > meetings, without review, nothing, just as RBR did >by Morbid - F1
gav Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Vettel didn't get this much stick for crashing > into Webber. Well he never said he did it to prove something either.by Morbid - F1
So I take it, that if Magnussen had said that he could have avoided Kimi's rear tyre in Malaysia, but he didn't because he wanted to prove a point, you'd have thought that to be just fine, right?by Morbid - F1