Moved Wheel Positions anyone? (Present for Berger_fan)
Posted by Ellis
Moved Wheel Positions anyone? (Present for Berger_fan)
Alot of people keep asking if its possible to move the wheels so we can have proper pre 1998 sets when the car wheels were further appart than they are now days. the answer has always been no...until now. Wheels can be moved, and wheels can be retextured. Im just sorting out the texturing of them now, because it does something odd with the rim colourings
What you do is this:
Normally when you open a Wheel file in GP4, you get the rim. There is no aparent way of loading the tyre itself, but GP4 loads the tyre up and sticks it on the rim.
the problem we had with this was when the rim was moved, GP4 couldnt find the rim anymore, and had nothing to load the tyre onto. Therefore, it didnt load the tyre, but it only loaded the rim in its new postion. (interestingly the textures were removed from it too when it was moved)
The way in which i did it was this - move the rim, and again, GP4 removes the tyre. So simply.....build another wheel in the rim file!! I built another wheel in the rim file and it worked in GP4! Provided its the right size (havent worked out the exact yet) then it looks great! Also havent worked out EXACTLY whats got to be done to texture the tyres. Its possibly just something i have done whilst trying to texture the tyre, but when i load it up in GP4, the rim colour for that car (i.e., McLaren = white, Jag = gold), is displayed on the side walls of the tyre (where it normal says bridgestone/michelin)
Have a gander at the picture
What do you think guys?
After thought - it ight be possible to create more then one wheel in each file...therefore it MIGHT be possible to create the 6 wheel tyrell car. I also THINK its possible to remove a wheel (leave the file, but have it with nothing in it, or an invisible object) and have a 3 wheel car
Thanks to Vader for picture hosting here
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Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
Alot of people keep asking if its possible to move the wheels so we can have proper pre 1998 sets when the car wheels were further appart than they are now days. the answer has always been no...until now. Wheels can be moved, and wheels can be retextured. Im just sorting out the texturing of them now, because it does something odd with the rim colourings
What you do is this:
Normally when you open a Wheel file in GP4, you get the rim. There is no aparent way of loading the tyre itself, but GP4 loads the tyre up and sticks it on the rim.
the problem we had with this was when the rim was moved, GP4 couldnt find the rim anymore, and had nothing to load the tyre onto. Therefore, it didnt load the tyre, but it only loaded the rim in its new postion. (interestingly the textures were removed from it too when it was moved)
The way in which i did it was this - move the rim, and again, GP4 removes the tyre. So simply.....build another wheel in the rim file!! I built another wheel in the rim file and it worked in GP4! Provided its the right size (havent worked out the exact yet) then it looks great! Also havent worked out EXACTLY whats got to be done to texture the tyres. Its possibly just something i have done whilst trying to texture the tyre, but when i load it up in GP4, the rim colour for that car (i.e., McLaren = white, Jag = gold), is displayed on the side walls of the tyre (where it normal says bridgestone/michelin)
Have a gander at the picture
What do you think guys?
After thought - it ight be possible to create more then one wheel in each file...therefore it MIGHT be possible to create the 6 wheel tyrell car. I also THINK its possible to remove a wheel (leave the file, but have it with nothing in it, or an invisible object) and have a 3 wheel car
Thanks to Vader for picture hosting here
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
but can u have a wheel per team?
nice work dace - figurehead for the editing community 
well done Dave! have a pic of Avril for your efforts
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Post Edited (02-07-03 18:05)
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Could you make the 3 wheeled Robin Reliant? Delboy and Rodney would be proud of you if you could 
Thanks Ellis,
i suppose that when you write: "Normally when you open a Wheel file in GP4, you get the rim.", you wish to say: Normally when you open a Wheel file in ZModeler, you get the rim.
In fact, that's a bug with ZModeler as the files car_wheel_xxxxxx.gp4 store all parts of the tyre, but ZModeler (as Jon's genius) only display the rim.
I'm working on a TyreEditor to fill that gap, but i've still some work in front of me.
But if you want (and have enough time) i could give you all vertex positions to rebuild each tyres in ZModeler
i suppose that when you write: "Normally when you open a Wheel file in GP4, you get the rim.", you wish to say: Normally when you open a Wheel file in ZModeler, you get the rim.
In fact, that's a bug with ZModeler as the files car_wheel_xxxxxx.gp4 store all parts of the tyre, but ZModeler (as Jon's genius) only display the rim.
I'm working on a TyreEditor to fill that gap, but i've still some work in front of me.
But if you want (and have enough time) i could give you all vertex positions to rebuild each tyres in ZModeler
lauri, i dont know how to show the full tires in genius :P i know u can do it, wot do u use to join it?
fantastic dave, absolutely fantastic
still a long way to go.....
but its looking greaT
but its looking greaT
Its possible to change wheel positions for a longer time. I did it same way in 3dsmax. Therefore i used genius to save as wrl and worked with them in gp4. Also CTDP Team used nearly same way for their 95 Mod.
But what i think is that its not possible to make cars using different tyre grafics. Yes its possible to add 2 wheels in front wheel shape but then all cars will use 2 wheels in front.
But - find another way! Its interesing what people find out since genius and zmodeler is released
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But what i think is that its not possible to make cars using different tyre grafics. Yes its possible to add 2 wheels in front wheel shape but then all cars will use 2 wheels in front.
But - find another way! Its interesing what people find out since genius and zmodeler is released
@ sasjag: Yes Avril is a - cant find a word - girl
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@ sasjag: Yes Avril is a - cant find a word - girl
avrils a cute, sexy grrl
Sim
All Hail The New York Giants - Winners of Superbowl XXI, XXV and XLII!
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avrils a cute, sexy grrl
Sim
All Hail The New York Giants - Winners of Superbowl XXI, XXV and XLII!
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but can u have a wheel per team?
nope, all GP4 wheel bases must be the same
Could you make the 3 wheeled Robin Reliant?
In Theroy yes. But all the cars will run as three wheelers
In fact, that's a bug with ZModeler as the files car_wheel_xxxxxx.gp4 store all parts of the tyre, but ZModeler (as Jon's genius) only display the rim.
I'm working on a TyreEditor to fill that gap, but i've still some work in front of me.
But if you want (and have enough time) i could give you all vertex positions to rebuild each tyres in ZModeler
that wud be very usefull. I currently just built a small wheel around the rim because when u re-export the file it removes the tyre
still a long way to go.....
Very much, but i sure we will get there soon
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
nope, all GP4 wheel bases must be the same
Could you make the 3 wheeled Robin Reliant?
In Theroy yes. But all the cars will run as three wheelers
In fact, that's a bug with ZModeler as the files car_wheel_xxxxxx.gp4 store all parts of the tyre, but ZModeler (as Jon's genius) only display the rim.
I'm working on a TyreEditor to fill that gap, but i've still some work in front of me.
But if you want (and have enough time) i could give you all vertex positions to rebuild each tyres in ZModeler
that wud be very usefull. I currently just built a small wheel around the rim because when u re-export the file it removes the tyre
still a long way to go.....
Very much, but i sure we will get there soon
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
Ok, heres a problem for you.......this might be solved by moving the suspersion, but im not sure...
When u move the wheels out, they do not act as wheels anymore. They become normal objects. When the new wheels touch, they dont flip over each other. When they touch the grass, it doesnt have an effect.
BUT
GP4 still thinks the tyre is in the orgional position, just invisible. So when u get far enough on the grass, it does rumble, because the old tyre wud have been there.
Hard to explain, but you'll know wot i mean!
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
When u move the wheels out, they do not act as wheels anymore. They become normal objects. When the new wheels touch, they dont flip over each other. When they touch the grass, it doesnt have an effect.
BUT
GP4 still thinks the tyre is in the orgional position, just invisible. So when u get far enough on the grass, it does rumble, because the old tyre wud have been there.
Hard to explain, but you'll know wot i mean!
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
Yep, i'm not surprised at all.
Gp4 cars part have a 3D mesh (the visible part) and a 3D "bound mesh" (invisible).
So even if you change the visible 3D mesh, Game use original bounds to detect collisions.
There's a file named car_colisision_mesh.ct in the cars.wad and i think we will find some appropriate answer in it, but i personnaly havn't found how to read them.
Gp4 cars part have a 3D mesh (the visible part) and a 3D "bound mesh" (invisible).
So even if you change the visible 3D mesh, Game use original bounds to detect collisions.
There's a file named car_colisision_mesh.ct in the cars.wad and i think we will find some appropriate answer in it, but i personnaly havn't found how to read them.
so we could have a grid of trotters independent traders vans racing?
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