Livery and Shape problems - questions answered
Posted by Ellis
ok, im posting this cos of the vast ammount of emails in getting about problems with the cars (Jordan and Jag) i have release.
Please do read it all if you have time - i need help as you will find out
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Livery inaccuracy
First of all - i know the cars are not 100% accurate - not all sponsors are in correct position, some sponsors missing, small spots of colour in random places
On the Jordan there is a yellow spot on the rear wing - im still not 100% sure where this is mapped from, as about 90% of the jordan is yellow so its very different to find
On the Jaguar the red line on the right hand side of the nose cone goes "off" the car for a small point. I didnt notice it at first, as i mirrored the left hadn side to get the right - and the left hand side worked, therefore i thot the right would be ok. again, thank Geoff for the texture mapping for this one
On the Jag the "becks" logog is missing from behind the bardge boards - dont worry, its being worked on.
On the Jag the Bardge boards are white with a green line instaed of having the Becks logo on it. - Blame this on texture mapping - the becks sign becomes majorly distored when put on - im trying to work around it - please give me time
On the Jagaur there is a green spot on the rear wing - again, still duno where its mapped from - about 75% of the jag is green.
On Jaguar there is green on the outside on the front wing endplates - im narrowing this down, not sure where its mapped from.
On the Jaguar there is a green line on the inside of the left front wing endplate - again, i duno
the "007" on the jags mirrors is slightly off center and dont display correctly on both mirrors - i just noticed that both mirrors map from slightly different positions - so this will be fixed
There is "yellow blobs" on back of Jag behind the exhausts - there are ment to be there - these are actaully ment to be on the rear suspension units, but thats impossible as all the suspension is mapped from a very small aera.
Rear wongs - The two cars i have released both use the Ferrari shape - the texture mapping for this cars rear wing is bad - it is all mapped from one small square in one of the tex files. Therefore, u cant but anything on the rear wings which uses a Ferrari shape
(yes, there has been screenshots of Marlboro on the rear wings, but the authorsays these have been enhanced by PSP, so these are 'false' images)
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'white cars'
ok, thats the graphics errors on the cars
Next - the people who get white cars
Now, i have found there is more than one reason for this, i only know who to fix one, the others, im still working out what is causing them.
The shapes i have put in the zips shouldnt search for the normal file names for the tex files.
The Jordan, for example, searches for tex with "jordan1" rather than just "jordan".
But sometimes this is not the case. On some computers it is still searching for the orgional file name. Obviously, there is somehting on some GP4 setups that is over-writing the carshape and telling it to search for the default, rather than what i have told it to search for. What is casuing it do to this, i havent the slightest idea at all!
BUT, what im going to do is provide two sets of textures - i will provide some with the origonal names, which will over-write files in your cars.wad, and i will provide the other files, with the different name which the carshape SHOULD be looknig for
This means that whatever it looks for, orgional or modified, it will find something.
You will have to compress both sets of files into your cars.wad - s it will increase in size slightly, depending on how many of these cars u install (after i release more that is)
Now, theres also something else making the cars white, again, im still searching for this. It seems to do it with some cars, in some slots, on some GP4s, again, i dont know why, and its proving hard to find it!
over 9 people emailed me asking about white jordans, and i enver had this problem, it was new to me. But when i tried fitting a Toyota skin onto am Arrows carshape, i found that i got the white car, no matter what i named the files.
Its NOT the tex files that are doing this one, its the shape and the slot. In my case, the Arrows 2001 shape will produce a white car in a Minardi (Toyota) slot - therefore i cant produce a Toyota on an Arrows carshape - which i was hoping to do
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BAR car shape
Ok, thsi shape is a apin in the arse!
The shape is fairly nice, and apart from the small winglets around the car, it fits into a lot of cars for 2002 dont it? I was going to use it for a Toyota.
But then i discovered a major problem which makes it impossible
The 2001 BAR shape thats in GP4 will NOT work in ANY other slot except the orgional. It crashs GP4 whislt loading the race/practice etc. Even with GPx in debug mode, it crashed.
Why? I honestly havent a clue at all! Im hoping to find out why, cos this shape is well made, the texs are layed out nice (i can find all the bits quickly and effitiently), and it fits with alot of other car shapes
Im hoping to find out whats so different about this shape that it makes the game crash in any slot other than its default
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future work
Im looking for advice here
See, i want to do more, i enjoy it, and it was a good feeling when i logged into the memebrs sectionm and found that the file had been d/l 500 times in less than 12 hours
but texture mapping causes limitations
Remember, this is new to everyone, and im new to car editing, so im having problems with the more complex cars like the Toyota livery.
I cant use the following shapes for liveries
car shapes i CANT use for other cars
1 - Jaguar - altho it fits with a Toyots the texture mapping is HORRENDOUS. there is small green squares mapped all over the car, which makes it sooo hard to fit anything in that is more than one colour
2 - Minardi - Well we have all seen that shape - its horribly wrong at the nose cone, altho its not that hard to map.
3 - BAR - wont work in any slot other than the default
The following shapes i would rather not use in some situations which i will mention
cars that are difficult to use - and i dont want to use really
1 - Williams - the Side pods arent very forgiving, but give me time and im sure i could work around it
2 - Prost - It WONT work for the Toyota, so please stop emailing me and sasking for a Toyota on a Prost shape - the reason for it not being on it in the first place was the texture mapping wont allow it cos of the Toyota livery being non-symetrical
3 - Arrows - wont work in the Minardi slot for me - therefore i cant do Toyota on the Arrows shape
Unfortuantly the Arrows shape fits well with the Toyota but i cant do it in the Minardi slot - i might do it for another slot if people want?
the Jaguar shape also fits with the Toyota, but wont work cos of Texture mapping
Now, what i want to do is the following
Arrows on a Jordan shape
Renault on a Prost Shape
Has anybody got any suggestions on what to put a Toyota on? - remember - no Jag, Prost, BAR
Also, what shall i put Minardi on? - no Jag, Prost, BAR
I dont want everycar on the grid to look like the Ferraro - but it is the easiest to do
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any Liveries?
anyone here ever made any liveries? Im struggling with
Hopefully this will stop me having to reply to 20 emaisl per day saying mostly the same thing
Any other questions please do post.
And do remember, this is all new to everyone, car livery editing to me is new, i cant use PSP very well and im struggling
I would REALLY like it if someone had made lvieries for the defaul carshapes, and would give me permission to modify there liveries for the new shapes
I already asked Ralph Hummerich, and he denied me Permission to use his, so i cant
Anyone who has liviers, of mid-high quality, that are decently accurate, and who will give me permission to use them, please email me at ellis2kx@hotmail.com , it will cut down the time it takes for me to make them if i dont have to make every little bit myself.
Thats the reason for starting with Jordan and Jag- the car liveires are simple - and mainly one colour. Most otehrs are not like this and have a complex design
Thanks for reading this :P
David Ellis
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
Please do read it all if you have time - i need help as you will find out
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Livery inaccuracy
First of all - i know the cars are not 100% accurate - not all sponsors are in correct position, some sponsors missing, small spots of colour in random places
On the Jordan there is a yellow spot on the rear wing - im still not 100% sure where this is mapped from, as about 90% of the jordan is yellow so its very different to find
On the Jaguar the red line on the right hand side of the nose cone goes "off" the car for a small point. I didnt notice it at first, as i mirrored the left hadn side to get the right - and the left hand side worked, therefore i thot the right would be ok. again, thank Geoff for the texture mapping for this one
On the Jag the "becks" logog is missing from behind the bardge boards - dont worry, its being worked on.
On the Jag the Bardge boards are white with a green line instaed of having the Becks logo on it. - Blame this on texture mapping - the becks sign becomes majorly distored when put on - im trying to work around it - please give me time
On the Jagaur there is a green spot on the rear wing - again, still duno where its mapped from - about 75% of the jag is green.
On Jaguar there is green on the outside on the front wing endplates - im narrowing this down, not sure where its mapped from.
On the Jaguar there is a green line on the inside of the left front wing endplate - again, i duno
the "007" on the jags mirrors is slightly off center and dont display correctly on both mirrors - i just noticed that both mirrors map from slightly different positions - so this will be fixed
There is "yellow blobs" on back of Jag behind the exhausts - there are ment to be there - these are actaully ment to be on the rear suspension units, but thats impossible as all the suspension is mapped from a very small aera.
Rear wongs - The two cars i have released both use the Ferrari shape - the texture mapping for this cars rear wing is bad - it is all mapped from one small square in one of the tex files. Therefore, u cant but anything on the rear wings which uses a Ferrari shape
(yes, there has been screenshots of Marlboro on the rear wings, but the authorsays these have been enhanced by PSP, so these are 'false' images)
-------------------------------
'white cars'
ok, thats the graphics errors on the cars
Next - the people who get white cars
Now, i have found there is more than one reason for this, i only know who to fix one, the others, im still working out what is causing them.
The shapes i have put in the zips shouldnt search for the normal file names for the tex files.
The Jordan, for example, searches for tex with "jordan1" rather than just "jordan".
But sometimes this is not the case. On some computers it is still searching for the orgional file name. Obviously, there is somehting on some GP4 setups that is over-writing the carshape and telling it to search for the default, rather than what i have told it to search for. What is casuing it do to this, i havent the slightest idea at all!
BUT, what im going to do is provide two sets of textures - i will provide some with the origonal names, which will over-write files in your cars.wad, and i will provide the other files, with the different name which the carshape SHOULD be looknig for
This means that whatever it looks for, orgional or modified, it will find something.
You will have to compress both sets of files into your cars.wad - s it will increase in size slightly, depending on how many of these cars u install (after i release more that is)
Now, theres also something else making the cars white, again, im still searching for this. It seems to do it with some cars, in some slots, on some GP4s, again, i dont know why, and its proving hard to find it!
over 9 people emailed me asking about white jordans, and i enver had this problem, it was new to me. But when i tried fitting a Toyota skin onto am Arrows carshape, i found that i got the white car, no matter what i named the files.
Its NOT the tex files that are doing this one, its the shape and the slot. In my case, the Arrows 2001 shape will produce a white car in a Minardi (Toyota) slot - therefore i cant produce a Toyota on an Arrows carshape - which i was hoping to do
-----------------------------
BAR car shape
Ok, thsi shape is a apin in the arse!
The shape is fairly nice, and apart from the small winglets around the car, it fits into a lot of cars for 2002 dont it? I was going to use it for a Toyota.
But then i discovered a major problem which makes it impossible
The 2001 BAR shape thats in GP4 will NOT work in ANY other slot except the orgional. It crashs GP4 whislt loading the race/practice etc. Even with GPx in debug mode, it crashed.
Why? I honestly havent a clue at all! Im hoping to find out why, cos this shape is well made, the texs are layed out nice (i can find all the bits quickly and effitiently), and it fits with alot of other car shapes
Im hoping to find out whats so different about this shape that it makes the game crash in any slot other than its default
--------------------------------
future work
Im looking for advice here
See, i want to do more, i enjoy it, and it was a good feeling when i logged into the memebrs sectionm and found that the file had been d/l 500 times in less than 12 hours
but texture mapping causes limitations
Remember, this is new to everyone, and im new to car editing, so im having problems with the more complex cars like the Toyota livery.
I cant use the following shapes for liveries
car shapes i CANT use for other cars
1 - Jaguar - altho it fits with a Toyots the texture mapping is HORRENDOUS. there is small green squares mapped all over the car, which makes it sooo hard to fit anything in that is more than one colour
2 - Minardi - Well we have all seen that shape - its horribly wrong at the nose cone, altho its not that hard to map.
3 - BAR - wont work in any slot other than the default
The following shapes i would rather not use in some situations which i will mention
cars that are difficult to use - and i dont want to use really
1 - Williams - the Side pods arent very forgiving, but give me time and im sure i could work around it
2 - Prost - It WONT work for the Toyota, so please stop emailing me and sasking for a Toyota on a Prost shape - the reason for it not being on it in the first place was the texture mapping wont allow it cos of the Toyota livery being non-symetrical
3 - Arrows - wont work in the Minardi slot for me - therefore i cant do Toyota on the Arrows shape
Unfortuantly the Arrows shape fits well with the Toyota but i cant do it in the Minardi slot - i might do it for another slot if people want?
the Jaguar shape also fits with the Toyota, but wont work cos of Texture mapping
Now, what i want to do is the following
Arrows on a Jordan shape
Renault on a Prost Shape
Has anybody got any suggestions on what to put a Toyota on? - remember - no Jag, Prost, BAR
Also, what shall i put Minardi on? - no Jag, Prost, BAR
I dont want everycar on the grid to look like the Ferraro - but it is the easiest to do
----------------------------------------------
any Liveries?
anyone here ever made any liveries? Im struggling with
Hopefully this will stop me having to reply to 20 emaisl per day saying mostly the same thing
Any other questions please do post.
And do remember, this is all new to everyone, car livery editing to me is new, i cant use PSP very well and im struggling
I would REALLY like it if someone had made lvieries for the defaul carshapes, and would give me permission to modify there liveries for the new shapes
I already asked Ralph Hummerich, and he denied me Permission to use his, so i cant
Anyone who has liviers, of mid-high quality, that are decently accurate, and who will give me permission to use them, please email me at ellis2kx@hotmail.com , it will cut down the time it takes for me to make them if i dont have to make every little bit myself.
Thats the reason for starting with Jordan and Jag- the car liveires are simple - and mainly one colour. Most otehrs are not like this and have a complex design
Thanks for reading this :P
David Ellis
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
EXTREAMLY big thanx to Chunter who has said he could help with Liveries, even if it dont come out well or something, thank you for giving me the option :D
This is appreciated as i dont have huge ammounts of time and i start college on Friday - will cut down my time more
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
This is appreciated as i dont have huge ammounts of time and i start college on Friday - will cut down my time more
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
ok, i have more than one person im working with now, not only on liveries but when a shape editor comes out, i will be using my 3D modeling info to make new shapes with people
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
keep up the good work ellis 
hmmm...white cars might be down to the alhpa layer acting up, i will see what i can do
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
err...this may sound stupid
But all of you who are having problems, u have of course using the .tex files i supplied with the jordan, and not converting them into tga and using them?
I know that sounds stupid, but some people might be doing this.
U have to use the texture files i supplied
Theres something in the game telling it to search somewhere other than where i have told it to - dumbass suggested the gp4.exe (this is where GP3 stored it), but i cant find it in there
also, the drivers head position isnt stored in the carshapes or the gp4.exe
anyone know where its stored?
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
But all of you who are having problems, u have of course using the .tex files i supplied with the jordan, and not converting them into tga and using them?
I know that sounds stupid, but some people might be doing this.
U have to use the texture files i supplied
Theres something in the game telling it to search somewhere other than where i have told it to - dumbass suggested the gp4.exe (this is where GP3 stored it), but i cant find it in there
also, the drivers head position isnt stored in the carshapes or the gp4.exe
anyone know where its stored?
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
This may look like im talking to myself, but people are emailing me too talk too
Viper has just suggested a fix for the white cars.
The people who are doing this wont be using the highest texture setting in GP4 - turn it too full
Later i will make low detail versions too.
you MUST have GP4 on the highest texture level to do this
If the problem is still here i might have another fix, but give me time...
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
Viper has just suggested a fix for the white cars.
The people who are doing this wont be using the highest texture setting in GP4 - turn it too full
Later i will make low detail versions too.
you MUST have GP4 on the highest texture level to do this
If the problem is still here i might have another fix, but give me time...
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
yup, got the email and replied
There is definatly something somewhere
I am telling the carshapes to search for a specific file name(s), and in most cases, this is working fine, but in some, the carshapes 'authority' if you like is being over-written by something else - and its looking for something else
What is doing this, and what its seraching for, i havent the slightest idea, but i am looking...HARD
Chunter, if u want, use my Jag as a base for your one. Its already around the Ferrari shape, and it will be easier to find the parts.
Dont worry about the time length, u cant rush these things
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
There is definatly something somewhere
I am telling the carshapes to search for a specific file name(s), and in most cases, this is working fine, but in some, the carshapes 'authority' if you like is being over-written by something else - and its looking for something else
What is doing this, and what its seraching for, i havent the slightest idea, but i am looking...HARD
Chunter, if u want, use my Jag as a base for your one. Its already around the Ferrari shape, and it will be easier to find the parts.
Dont worry about the time length, u cant rush these things
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
Can people slow down with the requests
I have lots of people wanting a toyota skin on a BAR in the Prost slot
It wont work - sorry - AR shape cant be used
Arrows WONT work in place of the Minardi shape - sorry
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
I have lots of people wanting a toyota skin on a BAR in the Prost slot
It wont work - sorry - AR shape cant be used
Arrows WONT work in place of the Minardi shape - sorry
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
Lol you don't look like someone editing something, rather like Columbus sailors sent to the unknown in 1492!
And I'm sure you encouters sea monsters from time to time as well
And I'm sure you encouters sea monsters from time to time as well
ohhhhhhhh yeahhhhhhhh!!!
I just got BAR working in a Minardi slot, with a Toyota livery :D
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
I just got BAR working in a Minardi slot, with a Toyota livery :D
Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps
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