GP4, from what I hear, sounds like a great sim. I have had mine for 4 years, and have not been able to race the bloody thing. Cannot get the controls working properly. Because of this, I spend most of my sim time with GPL, GTR, GTR2, NASCAR 2003, GTL. I spent about 20 billion dollars on my computor to get something "kick-A**", I am using a Momo force wheel with G25 pedals/shifter. When I thought I had everything mapped properly, only the steering will work properly. Wierd things would happen, such as engine would rev when activate the up-shift paddle. No response at all from my floor pedals, even though I can see them operate during the calibration process. After playing around with this for about 2 hours, the bloody program will not start up, it crashes my computor. My girl friend had to restrain me from taking a sledge hammer to my computor. Maybe I'll just uninstall the program again, and try again next year, like I have been doing in the past. I'll be dipped in dog s*** if I could ever figure this one out. Oh, and by the way, the official web site would not allow me to download the updates! I just was not destined to race this sim! If anyone has any ideas (I know SOME of you can race this sim, I think!), can you please help?