Broken Disc.....broken record......
Posted by johnace
Kimi-The-Champ écrivait:
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> ramf1v schrieb:
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> > There's a patched version over at GP4Central
> >
> > [www.gp4central.com]
> >
> >
> > A patched (v1.02) Grand Prix 4. Does not
> require
> > installation, just extract and play.
> >
>
> in germany is that illegal. what about other
> countries?
The status of Atari is very complex. And Infogrames bought Atari in 2009. Infogrames became Atari Entertainement.
I read an article last year: Atari's lawyers woke up in recent days with the intention of defending the Atari brand, including by addressing his biggest fans.
2 fans sites released old games for free. This was not legal but tolerated by Atari because the games weren't not sold anymore on none support and the after-sales service has abandonned.
With the democratisation of games on mobiles plateforms, Atari decided to re-edited his classic games. He does not seem to have decided to attack sites where the games were Atari's long been available on abandonware sites, which have made a specialty of compiling the old hits lost. So, the society is curious. they don't attack abandonware sites but Atari's fans sites.
In France, a concensus has been found to define the term of abandonware:
1- The abandonware is to offer free downloads of old games that are no longer commercially available to date, and have been for a long time, and whose service was also abandoned.
2-- The game must be relatively old (minimum 5 years).
3-It should no longer be marketed, at least in its French version. If the game is still sold but abroad, a consensus within the team may lead to what the game is still broadcast on Abandonware France in its French version.
4- The beneficiaries were not positioned against its free distribution.
Legally, After how long a game falls into the public domain?
In fact, this term will first depend on who owns the rights.
- If the game is for the author of the game, then the game is protected throughout the life of that person, plus 70 years.
- If the game belongs to a company, then it is protected for 70 years after the release of this game
So, what about GP4?
Here, the points 1-2-3 are respected but officially, Atari did not wish to comment on abandonware.
As Atari is a french company since Infogrames have bought it, we can suppose, regarding abandonware definition that they just have to give their authorization for the game to become an abandonware. But they didn't say they are against it. They should be more precise.
Personaly, I think they should give it to their fan, now... The game is old, not sold anymore, none service if the disc is broken, difficult to find and I would say that it belongs only to its fans now, thanks to updates, tools, mods, tracks etc.... Grand Prix 1 & 2 are officially abandonwares.
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/29/2012 05:43PM by Excalibur.
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> ramf1v schrieb:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > There's a patched version over at GP4Central
> >
> > [www.gp4central.com]
> >
> >
> > A patched (v1.02) Grand Prix 4. Does not
> require
> > installation, just extract and play.
> >
>
> in germany is that illegal. what about other
> countries?
The status of Atari is very complex. And Infogrames bought Atari in 2009. Infogrames became Atari Entertainement.
I read an article last year: Atari's lawyers woke up in recent days with the intention of defending the Atari brand, including by addressing his biggest fans.
2 fans sites released old games for free. This was not legal but tolerated by Atari because the games weren't not sold anymore on none support and the after-sales service has abandonned.
With the democratisation of games on mobiles plateforms, Atari decided to re-edited his classic games. He does not seem to have decided to attack sites where the games were Atari's long been available on abandonware sites, which have made a specialty of compiling the old hits lost. So, the society is curious. they don't attack abandonware sites but Atari's fans sites.
In France, a concensus has been found to define the term of abandonware:
1- The abandonware is to offer free downloads of old games that are no longer commercially available to date, and have been for a long time, and whose service was also abandoned.
2-- The game must be relatively old (minimum 5 years).
3-It should no longer be marketed, at least in its French version. If the game is still sold but abroad, a consensus within the team may lead to what the game is still broadcast on Abandonware France in its French version.
4- The beneficiaries were not positioned against its free distribution.
Legally, After how long a game falls into the public domain?
In fact, this term will first depend on who owns the rights.
- If the game is for the author of the game, then the game is protected throughout the life of that person, plus 70 years.
- If the game belongs to a company, then it is protected for 70 years after the release of this game
So, what about GP4?
Here, the points 1-2-3 are respected but officially, Atari did not wish to comment on abandonware.
As Atari is a french company since Infogrames have bought it, we can suppose, regarding abandonware definition that they just have to give their authorization for the game to become an abandonware. But they didn't say they are against it. They should be more precise.
Personaly, I think they should give it to their fan, now... The game is old, not sold anymore, none service if the disc is broken, difficult to find and I would say that it belongs only to its fans now, thanks to updates, tools, mods, tracks etc.... Grand Prix 1 & 2 are officially abandonwares.
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/29/2012 05:43PM by Excalibur.
@Excalibur 
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/29/2012 07:23PM by hasbriale.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/29/2012 07:23PM by hasbriale.
hasbriale écrivait:
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> @Excalibur
> [www.gp4-argentina.com]
> /confundido.gif
Too long?
To resume, we could help Johnace... He posted a picture of his disc broken. send him a pm with links he can play this game!
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> @Excalibur
> [www.gp4-argentina.com]
> /confundido.gif
Too long?
To resume, we could help Johnace... He posted a picture of his disc broken. send him a pm with links he can play this game!
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Yepp...
It comes to 300 MB if you pack the game in a RAR/ZIP file.. without the Bink Videos and the WAD files...
My upload sucks.. Or this discussion would not have prolonged this far... Any one for charity?
It comes to 300 MB if you pack the game in a RAR/ZIP file.. without the Bink Videos and the WAD files...
My upload sucks.. Or this discussion would not have prolonged this far... Any one for charity?
Excalibur Schreef:
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> hasbriale écrivait:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > @Excalibur
> >
> [www.gp4-argentina.com]
>
> > /confundido.gif
>
> Too long?
>
> To resume, we could help Johnace... He posted a
> picture of his disc broken. send him a pm with
> links he can play this game!
I've already send him a pm 3 days ago with a link of my ISO file of the game i have as backup. He clearly had a copy of the game which is broken so that had nothing todo with warez
He didn't come to gpg forum yet cause he didn't read the private message i've send with the link yet so the moment he returns, he's helped out
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/30/2012 06:31AM by Bigbrother.
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> hasbriale écrivait:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > @Excalibur
> >
> [www.gp4-argentina.com]
>
> > /confundido.gif
>
> Too long?
>
> To resume, we could help Johnace... He posted a
> picture of his disc broken. send him a pm with
> links he can play this game!
I've already send him a pm 3 days ago with a link of my ISO file of the game i have as backup. He clearly had a copy of the game which is broken so that had nothing todo with warez
He didn't come to gpg forum yet cause he didn't read the private message i've send with the link yet so the moment he returns, he's helped out
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/30/2012 06:31AM by Bigbrother.
Bigbrother, could you do the same for me? I would like a backup aswell
I could .rar my current game but it's almost 5GB big!
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Ice Hockey is my Religion!
I could .rar my current game but it's almost 5GB big!
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Ice Hockey is my Religion!
SkaaningeN Schreef:
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> Bigbrother, could you do the same for me? I would
> like a backup aswell
>
> I could .rar my current game but it's almost 5GB
> big!
Why do you need a backup if you have the original disc?
I helped john out cause cleary he bought the game but the disc is broken.
So Eric where is your original disc?
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> Bigbrother, could you do the same for me? I would
> like a backup aswell
>
> I could .rar my current game but it's almost 5GB
> big!
Why do you need a backup if you have the original disc?
I helped john out cause cleary he bought the game but the disc is broken.
So Eric where is your original disc?
well, right now it's in my apartment in an old cd case and right now Im living with my parents for a while. I have not used my GP4 CD in years so I don't know
if it still works.
You don't need to worry mate, I got GP4 as a birthdaypresent in march 2003, I own a legal copy of the game. No need to be suspicious, just trying to give myself some
insurance since have not thought of doing that before. Just in case, but if it's to much, I wont bother you
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Ice Hockey is my Religion!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/30/2012 09:35PM by SkaaningeN.
if it still works.
You don't need to worry mate, I got GP4 as a birthdaypresent in march 2003, I own a legal copy of the game. No need to be suspicious, just trying to give myself some
insurance since have not thought of doing that before. Just in case, but if it's to much, I wont bother you
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Ice Hockey is my Religion!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/30/2012 09:35PM by SkaaningeN.
SkaaningeN Schreef:
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> well, right now it's in my apartment in an old cd
> case and right now Im living with my parents for a
> while. I have not used my GP4 CD in years so I
> don't know
> if it still works.
>
> You don't need to worry mate, I got GP4 as a
> birthdaypresent in march 2003, I own a legal copy
> of the game. No need to be suspicious, just trying
> to give myself some
> insurance since have not thought of doing that
> before. Just in case, but if it's to much, I wont
> bother you
Its not about suspicious, i have the backup uploaded as insurance for myself and in this case to help John out.
The link was provided to John cause he needed it badly after he proven his disc is clearly broken. I have no intension at all to start sending out the link to everyone that would like a copy cause then we start warez and the intension is only to help out a guy that has a broken disc.
I had already other requests in private message if you understand what i am saying and denied all of them.
Its nothing personal, i am only drawing a line else i could easily post it in this topc
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> well, right now it's in my apartment in an old cd
> case and right now Im living with my parents for a
> while. I have not used my GP4 CD in years so I
> don't know
> if it still works.
>
> You don't need to worry mate, I got GP4 as a
> birthdaypresent in march 2003, I own a legal copy
> of the game. No need to be suspicious, just trying
> to give myself some
> insurance since have not thought of doing that
> before. Just in case, but if it's to much, I wont
> bother you
Its not about suspicious, i have the backup uploaded as insurance for myself and in this case to help John out.
The link was provided to John cause he needed it badly after he proven his disc is clearly broken. I have no intension at all to start sending out the link to everyone that would like a copy cause then we start warez and the intension is only to help out a guy that has a broken disc.
I had already other requests in private message if you understand what i am saying
and denied all of them.Its nothing personal, i am only drawing a line else i could easily post it in this topc
fair enough mate, no worries!
I got an helping hand from an old friend so it's all good in the hood
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Ice Hockey is my Religion!
I got an helping hand from an old friend so it's all good in the hood
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Ice Hockey is my Religion!
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