Canadian GP ***Spoilers***

Once you saw the in car though, hard to pin the fault really, Jenson moved across, Lewis wasn't being team-mate careful. Difficult one.

Lewis, the gift that keeps on giving. Oh LMAO. :D

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Being a Lewis Hamilton fan is bad for my health! However, it's very hard to place blame here. I'm just ruing what might have been; there won't be many more opportunities like a setup advantage and a traditional circuit advantage again... For all the quality of the racing, I wish that we'd have a bit more of a title fight.

Strong opening from Vettel though it's so early on yet. The other driver who's looking strong so far is actually Jenson since he put the inters on.
Weather looks like it'll be very changeable all afternoon - a bit like in 1989.

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Aquaplaning at the hairpin! This rain is mental!

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Let's just run the whole @#$%& race behind the safety car....

EDIT, it is quite wet, like.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/12/2011 07:40PM by loque.

just red flag it!

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Matt gets his wish :P
Coffee break for everyone. This is like a Monsoon right now.

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Button Lewis thing 50/50 I just dont think button saw him tbh. Lewis had a run on him and button moved over, but he has never taken that line again.

However I think Lewis will get a grid drop at the next race due to the speeding thing.

Lol so much work on everyones car right next, except kobayashi who seems to have lost all his mechanics

it would be rubbish if this race is red flagged off completely, ive been waititng for this for two weeks...

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/12/2011 07:52PM by truecrysis.

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elpasho2005f1
I remember Nurburgring 2007 when they didn't start behind the safety car and it was such an awesome race. it indeed is a shame.

Nurburgring 2007 started dry... :\

Edit: It only started raining on the first lap (well, there was a touch of moisture on the warm-up lap). Ironically I actually watched parts of that race after Le Mans!

Edit2: That water is stupidly deep in areas.



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I think it is quite obvious, that the other drivers have learned, that you can just turn in on Lewis and make contact, and he will be assigned the blame.

In T1 lap 1, Lewis went over the curb, so he hit the apex spot on, and Webber gave him some room, but there was room for like one more car on his left. Webber opted for the contact to happen. He had options. Lewis didn't. At the hairpin, Schumacher crowded Lewis in the braking zone, and he had to use the wet grass to avoid contact. That is pretty mental. With Button, Lewis had gone as far over as he could. He was touching the edge of the grass. He was committed and there was no other place to go except the wall.

The other drivers have learned that Lewis will be handed the penalty. Massa turned in on Lewis at Monaco. If you don't believe this, then rewind to Schumachers move on Lewis a few laps earlier. Lewis gave him enough room to complete the move. As with Maldonado, Lewis is going in a straight line when Maldonado turns on him. If you do not believe this, then rewind to Lewis' move on Schumacher in the same turn. Again, Schumacher proved it was possible for both cars to get through the corner unscathed.

This is just F1 when it goes into hysterics. We all want an aggressive and uncompromising driver that creates action and drama, but when he comes along, he is demonized as an animal.

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Morbid Wrote:
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> I think it is quite obvious, that the other
> drivers have learned, that you can just turn in on
> Lewis and make contact, and he will be assigned
> the blame.
>
> In T1 lap 1, Lewis went over the curb, so he hit
> the apex spot on, and Webber gave him some room,
> but there was room for like one more car on his
> left. Webber opted for the contact to happen. He
> had options. Lewis didn't. At the hairpin,
> Schumacher crowded Lewis in the braking zone, and
> he had to use the wet grass to avoid contact. That
> is pretty mental. With Button, Lewis had gone as
> far over as he could. He was touching the edge of
> the grass. He was committed and there was no other
> place to go except the wall.
>
> The other drivers have learned that Lewis will be
> handed the penalty. Massa turned in on Lewis at
> Monaco. If you don't believe this, then rewind to
> Schumachers move on Lewis a few laps earlier.
> Lewis gave him enough room to complete the move.
> As with Maldonado, Lewis is going in a straight
> line when Maldonado turns on him. If you do not
> believe this, then rewind to Lewis' move on
> Schumacher in the same turn. Again, Schumacher
> proved it was possible for both cars to get
> through the corner unscathed.
>
> This is just F1 when it goes into hysterics. We
> all want an aggressive and uncompromising driver
> that creates action and drama, but when he comes
> along, he is demonized as an animal.

I don't believe any of that because that's not what happened. The Massa incident was 50:50, Lewis threw it down the inside, giving him half the blame and Massa turned in on him, which he is allowed to do, which gives him the remaining half of the blame.

Lewis just tipped Maldonado off the road, no argument there.

With Webber, Webber left him loads of room, Lewis understeered into the side of him. Webber didn't turn in on him at all, you can see this from the t-cam.

With Jenson, Hamilton put his car in a tight spot, Jenson didn't see him and that was the result. Racing incident but it does appear to be Lewis who is putting his car in these precarious positions.

Morbid Wrote:
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> I think it is quite obvious, that the other
> drivers have learned, that you can just turn in on
> Lewis and make contact, and he will be assigned
> the blame.
>
> In T1 lap 1, Lewis went over the curb, so he hit
> the apex spot on, and Webber gave him some room,
> but there was room for like one more car on his
> left. Webber opted for the contact to happen. He
> had options. Lewis didn't. At the hairpin,
> Schumacher crowded Lewis in the braking zone, and
> he had to use the wet grass to avoid contact. That
> is pretty mental. With Button, Lewis had gone as
> far over as he could. He was touching the edge of
> the grass. He was committed and there was no other
> place to go except the wall.
>
> The other drivers have learned that Lewis will be
> handed the penalty. Massa turned in on Lewis at
> Monaco. If you don't believe this, then rewind to
> Schumachers move on Lewis a few laps earlier.
> Lewis gave him enough room to complete the move.
> As with Maldonado, Lewis is going in a straight
> line when Maldonado turns on him. If you do not
> believe this, then rewind to Lewis' move on
> Schumacher in the same turn. Again, Schumacher
> proved it was possible for both cars to get
> through the corner unscathed.
>
> This is just F1 when it goes into hysterics. We
> all want an aggressive and uncompromising driver
> that creates action and drama, but when he comes
> along, he is demonized as an animal.

From my point of view... i agree with you about the button incident today, button really do come over rather too far. the webber incident was a racing incident, both drivers want the place, they are going to happen. The schumacher move, i honestly thought that hamilton just got a little bit off line, it was wet, he couldn't brake well enough, went straight on.

But i do think hamilton is at fault for the monaco moves still, schumacher gets away with it because hamilton saw him coming, but it was still a very risky move, di resta and hamilton got punish. The maldonaldo one, no hamilton was in the wrong he was way to far back, maldonado has to turn at some point, we don't want to see him just give the position away to hamilton.

We do want aggressive drivers, and we do want overtaking, but defensive driving has got to a point where if you put your car in the right place, making a move becomes silly, and hamilton being hamilton still wants to take the position. We want overtaking, but we don't want the driver in front to concede, thats how it will be.

Just my 2 pence on the matter

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You don't believe that, because that is not what happened? What you believe, and what actually happened (facts) are very different things. You should sort that out before you type. Either something is fact, and then belief is irrelevant, or you believe it, and hence you are opinionated, and fact is irrelevant. It is one or the other, but never both. Make up your mind.

Either way, I saw it on recording today, so it is fresh from sight (the advantages of having a HDD recorder). Also, Schumacher is in agreement with me (bold by me):

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Michael Schumacher jumped to the defence of his current rival in Canada – claiming he would not have punished him for the incident with Massa in Monaco.

"[In] Monaco we know it is very difficult to pass and if somebody doesn't want it, then it is very hard to avoid a collision," said Schumacher. "I guess, in two of the four cases he passed people, two didn't want it and two accepted it!

"It is a tough situation to be perfectly right. You will always find one or the other opinion on that – but put it this way: I would not have given him [a penalty] for Felipe at least."

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I actually think what MS done was out of order, he moved right to the outside to push him off.

marcl Wrote:
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> I actually think what MS done was out of order, he
> moved right to the outside to push him off.

Just watched the schumacher replay, you could claim its the racing line, schumachers no closer to the grass the button was behind him, so maybe he was just taking the line, not accounting for hamilton, or just defending, schumacher is rather good at that

The massa hamilton/monaco incident i think that a driver has the right to turn the car on the racing line to defend the position, especially how far back hamilton was, as i said, i think schumacher got away with it, had hamilton turned in on him, yes he would have got a penalty, 100%. But massa would defend, hamilton will attack, i think massa had more right to the place at that time.

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Morbid Wrote:
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> You don't believe that, because that is not what
> happened? What you believe, and what actually
> happened (facts) are very different things. You
> should sort that out before you type. Either
> something is fact, and then belief is irrelevant,
> or you believe it, and hence you are opinionated,
> and fact is irrelevant. It is one or the other,
> but never both. Make up your mind.

Argh! Mental, black hole headache.

Fair enough, I don't believe that because it doesn't look like that's what happened

Bored now.

I think Button didn't realize that Hamilton was that faster, when he saw him in the mirror, closed in...