Shocking error in Autosport

Andretti had been driving F1 cars for many years before he won the 1978 title. He got the pole position in his first race though driving a Ferrari at Monza.

DaveEllis Wrote:
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> 22 Grand Prix wins including 1 in a woefull Jordan
> car, 1 World championship, runner up twice, and
> still we get these bullshit comments.
>
> Believe what you want, but Damon Hill had talent
> AND class! One of the best World Champions
> ever....
>
> Speaking of bullshit...the Jordan was far from
> Woefull. Ralf Schumacher finished 2nd in it,
> explain that?
>
> Damon should have walked the 1995 title, but
> screwed it up. He should have walked the 1996
> title. Afterwall, DC, his faster team mate who was
> improving all the time had moved away and he had a
> rookie. Yet he still managed to almost throw it
> away
>
> I like hill, but one of the best world champions
> ever? Hes not even in the same league as Clark,
> Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Fangio, Stewart or
> Mansell.
>





Best ever:
Schumacher
Prost
Clark
Senna
Stewart
Mansell

No one ranks statistically with the drivers you listed. I understand that.

Stewart BTW won only 5 more GP's than Damon. Fangio only 2 more than Damon. Different eras, and hard to make comparisons. Look boys, I don't have Damon Hill on a pedestal anymore than I do Jacques, but I do give them credit where credit is due. To say one owed it all to his car or he was lucky IS bullshit!

How many drivers get the best equipment and still haven't been able to do the job? How many suffer for years is piss poor cars before finally getting a break and landing in a good team? And then only manage a few odd wins. It's all relative isn't it?

I just don't understand why people constantly trash Damon Hill. Never have understood it. He accomplished far, far, more than 90% of the people who have ever raced a F1 car and yet still gets bashed. He would have been a two time world champ had Schumi himself not drove him off the F***ing road and took them both out. And lest you think that was a chance encounter look at Schumi trying to do the same thing to JV a couple of years later!

Who the best world champion is after Schumi and Prost is all relative. Those two tower over all the rest. But I personally feel Damon Hill ranks among the top, and to me it was as much for his off the track demeanor and class as it was his driving ability. Some love Senna.... I think he was a hotheaded prick. MY OPINION, same as how I feel Damon HIll was and is a class act all the way around....



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/18/2006 09:48AM by Jagdpanzer.

Why is it that you guys have to lower yourself to such levels....this post has been reported by users and undoubtedly for it's poor content. I appreciate that you all have your differences of opinion but how about behaving with a bit of class and not lowering yourselves to such ridiculous levels. How do you think you all look to one off visiters or lurkers who drop in to browse through "YOUR" forums.....
Keep it nice fellas. That's all.
mortal

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fongu Wrote:
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> Formula One has always been about the package -
> only the media and fans have brought the drivers
> to the fore - because lets be honest thats a bit
> more exciting! Was it Fangio or one of the early
> great drivers who only signed one year contracts -
> so he could get himself in the best car for each
> year. But to get yourself there - you either need
> tons of cash (alex yoong etc) - good links (massa)
> or just pure talent which we see in Schumacher,
> Alonso and Raikonnen. For Villeneuve - he has
> talent - maybe not as good as other drivers (all
> depends on how you suit the car etc) and he landed
> himself a great seat and car and scraped a
> championship in 97. Alonso didnt have the best car
> in the grid last year - but he made the most of
> the package and the misfortune of McLaren and took
> the drivers championship.... Fisi however just
> didnt have the luck (not that i believe in luck
> but if i did - he's bad luck personified - pat
> symonds said words of that effect this week)
>

Of course he had the best car on the grid, otherwise you can't win a championship. McLaren had the fastest, but Renault had the best.

Jagdpanzer Wrote:
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> Mini Maestro Wrote:
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> > Hill was far from one hell of a driver.
> > He was very poor in comparison to other
> world
> > champions
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> 22 Grand Prix wins including 1 in a woefull Jordan
> car, 1 World championship, runner up twice, and
> still we get these bullshit comments.
>
> Believe what you want, but Damon Hill had talent
> AND class! One of the best World Champions
> ever....
>
>

He only won at Spa because Ralf wasn't allowed to win.

@alex - it was not sarcasm it was something else. :P

but i liked the reaction

IF Jenson does win the championship or a race i cant wait for the comments about it judging from this thread im sure they will be a nice laugh

One question... I fully agree with Nick's comments about winning the champ you need the best car...

But there must have been a time where not the best car won. And how to judge whether it was the best or not, you can look at their team-mate as a comparison...

Anyone here think post96 Damon wasnt committed as much? I mean having completed what he set out to do he had nothing else to do...

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

Why is it that you guys have to lower yourself to such levels....this post has been reported by users and undoubtedly for it's poor content. I appreciate that you all have your differences of opinion but how about behaving with a bit of class and not lowering yourselves to such ridiculous levels.

Im sorry, what? Lower to what level? We're having a discussion! Or are we banning that now?

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Nickv Wrote:
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> Jagdpanzer Wrote:
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> > Mini Maestro Wrote:
> >
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> > > Hill was far from one hell of a driver.
> > > He was very poor in comparison to other
> > world
> > > champions
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > 22 Grand Prix wins including 1 in a woefull
> Jordan
> > car, 1 World championship, runner up twice,
> and
> > still we get these bullshit comments.
> >
> > Believe what you want, but Damon Hill had
> talent
> > AND class! One of the best World Champions
> > ever....
> >
> >
>
> He only won at Spa because Ralf wasn't allowed to
> win.
>
>

would you trust ralf schumacher to overtake his team mate, in teh rain, for your teams maiden win?

and damon may have won teh WDC in 96 coz he had the best car, but most champions do. lets not forget he won races in 93, 94, 95, 96, overtook schumi's ferrari in an arrows and almost won, then won at spa. he may not have been teh bets champion, but he was certainly talented.

Sim

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"and almost won'

A case of one race saving a year.

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"Some love Senna.... I think he was a hotheaded prick. MY OPINION"

I think calling any driver a prick is pretty stupid really.