That f*cking idiot drove into me...

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Lap 8. Pit radio from Montoya`s car:

- Juan you have a drive through penalty. Not a stop and go. Drive through penalty...
- Why? Why?
- Because of Michael, because of Michael. Don`t worry about it. We have to do it...
- That f*cking idiot drove into me...
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Maybe Montoya is one of the best drivers, talented enough, and he has experience (f3000, cart, one season in f1).
And even if MS had understeer problems and they both were initiators in that incident 50% by 50%. (Without details)

But what gives Montoya the right to say this? Is F1 sport or another movie from Hollywood or what? Or maybe this was the last race of a season and it was fight for the titile and MS wanted to push out HPM?

That last Montoya`s words show that he does not respect anybody.

Or do I misunderstand something and all drivers talk about each other in that way?

That type of argument is generally known in latin as "argumentum ad hominem". I do not expect you to already know what that means, so I will try to explain it.

Your are using an argument that attack JPM's personality concerning language usage, and there after connect this to his approach and attitude towards to being a driver, and all the other drivers.

But the way that JPM chooses to talk with his engineering technicians is between him and them. It does not say anything about how he treats other drivers, either on or off the track. But you use it as proof that he is morally debased and hence imply it must be him that caused the accident in turn 1 (or at least that he drives in a disrespectful way).

But you cannot prove anything about anyones prior actions or prior situations by stating that they use foul language. If you want to tell a story about JPM being a menace and a bully, I suggest you find some race commission statements from his past, some good video footage, or a public statement were he admits it himself.

Ad hominem's are generally considered a blow below the belt, because it hits at the person, not the situation or his/hers point of view. And besides, if they are accepted they quickly lead to boomerang conclusions.

A couple of my friends constantly talk like they were born and raised on a fishermans warf. Yet they are view as loving and caring persons, that like to use colorful expressions. Is that a wromg conclusion? Are they debased?

Show me one person on this forum, that has not sweared at someone else. I bet 99% of us have done that (and probably will do again), and hence if we accept arguments of the type you prepose, we quickly run into the following conclusion:

"We have all sweared in private conversations during stressful situations, and hence we all "do not respect anybody."

in private conversations during stressful situations - can be removed yet the conlusion is still valid. So we could even have:

"We have all sweared in public and hence we all "do not respect anybody."

As I said, you are referring to what was said in a private conversation in a stressful situation. Boomerang conclusions and faulty logic aside, inferring to character and hence judgement of prior situations might be a very impressive in movies and modern journalism, but you really cannot say much, based on Montoyas swearing in private and even in public, other than Montoya uses foul language from time to time.

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It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.

hey look, MEGAPOST-MAN has hijacked morbids login name


good comments though morbid, nice to see you posting regually again






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I just passed 5 (with great grades!) huge exams in 8 weeks. I have a month or two before the dung hits the fan again. So until then I guess you are stuck with me and my monster posts

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It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.

LOL i hope that window of oppitunity of two months is enough for gp4 coming out,

other wise your next grades might not be too great






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Morbid - you convinced me almost in all, but:

you are referring to what was said in a private conversation in a stressful situation.

stressful situation - agree

private conversation - nope. Montoya knew that his radio was on air on TV.

Give me example, please, when any other driver was talking that way.

But, anyway I`m getting out of here now...

how about when MS stormed into the mclaren garage at spa and accused DC of trying to "fuckin kill me"

although it was'nt braodcast on tv, it was said.

but both circumstances were down to high emotion and both in anger

when were any of us last angry and did'nt swear?






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Yo Sup

How bout when Villenuve swore at JPM before Canada? Ok JPM swore back but thats not the point




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Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps

and what about when nelson piquet jumped out his car at hockenheim and started kicking and punching the driver who had just punted him off






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Name that driver, LS!

A prize if you remember!

what do i win first?






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it was Eliseo Salazar, now wheres my prize??


you can see the video by clicking this link (thats if it works of course)

[f-1.sovintel.ru]


this is a lot worse than JPM swearing on the radio nibolz






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LOL expect this to be MS and JPM later on this year






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Muahahaha!




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Yo Sup

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

btw, why punch someone with a crash helmet on? Is piquet stupid?




Racing Is Life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting
Jesus may be able to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life, but he can't do shît for low fps

ROFL Alex!

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James Hunt was so angry at another driver once that he punched him, despite the other driving having his crash helmet on....


And I'll find something for you to win, don't worry!

LOL very funny alex, hilarious infact,

i'm still laughing as i type this out






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i meant that post too, its hard toput over how you mean your posts to be interpreted with just plain text.

any chance of upgrading to the same as highgear forums??


we need a atomic hamster to make these changes work






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