The recent changes to Formula 1
Posted by flat tyre
I don't know about you, but I'd be really happy if I saw this list of changes a few years ago...
++ Slick tyres
++ Flipups banned
++ Traction control and other driver aids banned
++ Easier to follow cars (when double diffuser is banned for next year)
++ More privateers, less manufacturers
++ 26 car grid (maybe even 28?)
++ FOTA
++ Much less FIA influence in the rulemaking, with more influence from FOTA
+ Refuelling banned
+ Wheel fairings banned
+ Lower front wings
+ Testing ban (takes financial power out of the equation somewhat)
+ Sparks!
-- More Tilkedromes, less traditional venues
-- Err... the FIA? And it's attitude and silly rules
-- Bernie
- Engine freeze (soon to be over??)
- Possibility of shorter races
- Some consider the proportion between the front and rear wings ugly (I don't)
Don't get me wrong, but I think we have enough reasons to be happy with what changes have occured within the last few years. I think we forget just how much of what we wanted has actually happened. But, of course, the bad points are what will be remembered by most people.
Just wanted to see your opinions on this :P
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/05/2009 11:05PM by mortal.
++ Slick tyres
++ Flipups banned
++ Traction control and other driver aids banned
++ Easier to follow cars (when double diffuser is banned for next year)
++ More privateers, less manufacturers
++ 26 car grid (maybe even 28?)
++ FOTA
++ Much less FIA influence in the rulemaking, with more influence from FOTA
+ Refuelling banned
+ Wheel fairings banned
+ Lower front wings
+ Testing ban (takes financial power out of the equation somewhat)
+ Sparks!
-- More Tilkedromes, less traditional venues
-- Err... the FIA? And it's attitude and silly rules
-- Bernie
- Engine freeze (soon to be over??)
- Possibility of shorter races
- Some consider the proportion between the front and rear wings ugly (I don't)
Don't get me wrong, but I think we have enough reasons to be happy with what changes have occured within the last few years. I think we forget just how much of what we wanted has actually happened. But, of course, the bad points are what will be remembered by most people.
Just wanted to see your opinions on this :P
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/05/2009 11:05PM by mortal.
Great post!
Though one problem... the double diffuser is not banned for next year
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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
Though one problem... the double diffuser is not banned for next year
!"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
There have been numerous positives this season which I think have been excellent. However, I still have two major negatives:-
1 - IMHO countries should NOT be awarded a Grand Prix before they've even built a flippin' circuit. Build the track FIRST, THEN apply for the contract. Apparently we're racing in South Korea next season. Where the £$%& has that come from??
2 - The race stewards' determination to stamp out any genuine racing on the grounds of it disadvantaging the car that is being overtaken. Drivers are seemingly not allowed to pass within 2 feet of a rival when attempting an overtake, just in case they receive a penalty for dangerous driving or unfair advantage.
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1 - IMHO countries should NOT be awarded a Grand Prix before they've even built a flippin' circuit. Build the track FIRST, THEN apply for the contract. Apparently we're racing in South Korea next season. Where the £$%& has that come from??
2 - The race stewards' determination to stamp out any genuine racing on the grounds of it disadvantaging the car that is being overtaken. Drivers are seemingly not allowed to pass within 2 feet of a rival when attempting an overtake, just in case they receive a penalty for dangerous driving or unfair advantage.
Nick, pretend to be an important Dutch jewelry/watch guy, get Tilke to go to Zeewolde to build the greatest track known to manking, and... kidnap him for the next 5 years. Please. Kthxbye 
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.We only have to clone the Nordschleife´s designer
Spa wasn't a cracker this year, so....
I agree though. As epic as the circuit is, out of 170 corners, there would only be 2 clear modern opportunities for fast single seaters... or none if you remove the Ersatzring.
I agree though. As epic as the circuit is, out of 170 corners, there would only be 2 clear modern opportunities for fast single seaters... or none if you remove the Ersatzring.
Great point flat tyre, it's an awesome list of changes. If I'd have known 3 years ago that all these improvements were about to happen in F1, I'd have been delighted.
Regarding the circuit design, it's a great shame that the same guy is being allowed to design all the new F1 circuits by himself. There's nowhere near enough variety. Now we know that each time we go to a new track in a new country, it's going to consist of the same combination of longish straights and horrible, characterless corners which look technically @#$%&.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/06/2009 01:37AM by EC83.
Regarding the circuit design, it's a great shame that the same guy is being allowed to design all the new F1 circuits by himself. There's nowhere near enough variety. Now we know that each time we go to a new track in a new country, it's going to consist of the same combination of longish straights and horrible, characterless corners which look technically @#$%&.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/06/2009 01:37AM by EC83.
Locke Cole Wrote:
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> 1 - IMHO countries should NOT be awarded a Grand
> Prix before they've even built a flippin' circuit.
> Build the track FIRST, THEN apply for the
> contract. Apparently we're racing in South Korea
> next season. Where the £$%& has that come from??
I think a more pressing issue is countries choosing location over layout. The fact that every circuit recently (including Korea next year) just indicates that the opposite is happening - in that the location is seen as more important than the layout.
X (@ed24f1)
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> 1 - IMHO countries should NOT be awarded a Grand
> Prix before they've even built a flippin' circuit.
> Build the track FIRST, THEN apply for the
> contract. Apparently we're racing in South Korea
> next season. Where the £$%& has that come from??
I think a more pressing issue is countries choosing location over layout. The fact that every circuit recently (including Korea next year) just indicates that the opposite is happening - in that the location is seen as more important than the layout.
X (@ed24f1)
I can't imagine there are many world-class circuit architects running around out there, which is a shame. I personally have nothing against Tilke's tracks - they generally produce good racing, and whilst we think them bland right now, it's only because they haven't had sufficient time to build up their own individual character. They will, given time. Sepang is developing character as an unpredictable beast in wet OR dry conditions, for example.
However, I would like to see the "flavour" of each country make its way into the design of a circuit. My example is America, a country which likes to do everything BIG and at high-speed. I was really wanting to see a truly outlandishly over-the-top high-speed power circuit for F1, in genuine American style. Instead, we were given an Indianapolis circuit which could have been anywhere in the World.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that I want to look at a circuit and instantly recognise, "Ah yes, that's a typical [country] circuit." If the same guy is designing tracks in every country, how can they possibly take on an individual style?
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However, I would like to see the "flavour" of each country make its way into the design of a circuit. My example is America, a country which likes to do everything BIG and at high-speed. I was really wanting to see a truly outlandishly over-the-top high-speed power circuit for F1, in genuine American style. Instead, we were given an Indianapolis circuit which could have been anywhere in the World.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that I want to look at a circuit and instantly recognise, "Ah yes, that's a typical [country] circuit." If the same guy is designing tracks in every country, how can they possibly take on an individual style?
i heard (maybe here some time ago ) that fia's (or whoever makes them) rules for new circuits concerning banking, elevations,... are quite stringent. i think you could take any architect you wanted and get a similar result compared to what was built in recent years. imo tilke is the smallest part of the problem.
i agree with locke cole, new tracks need more time. we like classic circuits because they hosted races we still talk about years later. if you have a closer look at these circuits there are also many boring races but we don't remember them. a new track lacks that sort of history and somehow we expect that there have to be great races right from the start, something that wouldn't happen on any of the classic circuits either.
used to be GPGSL's Nick Heidfeld
) that fia's (or whoever makes them) rules for new circuits concerning banking, elevations,... are quite stringent. i think you could take any architect you wanted and get a similar result compared to what was built in recent years. imo tilke is the smallest part of the problem.i agree with locke cole, new tracks need more time. we like classic circuits because they hosted races we still talk about years later. if you have a closer look at these circuits there are also many boring races but we don't remember them. a new track lacks that sort of history and somehow we expect that there have to be great races right from the start, something that wouldn't happen on any of the classic circuits either.
used to be GPGSL's Nick Heidfeld
n00binio Wrote:
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> i heard (maybe here some time ago ) that fia's
> (or whoever makes them) rules for new circuits
> concerning banking, elevations,... are quite
> stringent. i think you could take any architect
> you wanted and get a similar result compared to
> what was built in recent years. imo tilke is the
> smallest part of the problem.
Singapore, despite the limited overtaking opportunities, shows how a new 'street' circuit should be designed. It's challenging, bumpy, long. The drivers earn their money.
Unlike Tilke tracks, where it's totally smooth and the only real challenge is generally the temperature.
In my opinion, the challenging corners on Tilke tracks list as follows:
Turn 8 at Istanbul.
Turn 12 at Sepang (though now easily flat out).
Turn 24 at Valencia.
So out of what I've quickly added up to 110 Tilke corners on the 2009 calender, 3 I would describe as challenging.
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> i heard (maybe here some time ago
) that fia's> (or whoever makes them) rules for new circuits
> concerning banking, elevations,... are quite
> stringent. i think you could take any architect
> you wanted and get a similar result compared to
> what was built in recent years. imo tilke is the
> smallest part of the problem.
Singapore, despite the limited overtaking opportunities, shows how a new 'street' circuit should be designed. It's challenging, bumpy, long. The drivers earn their money.
Unlike Tilke tracks, where it's totally smooth and the only real challenge is generally the temperature.
In my opinion, the challenging corners on Tilke tracks list as follows:
Turn 8 at Istanbul.
Turn 12 at Sepang (though now easily flat out).
Turn 24 at Valencia.
So out of what I've quickly added up to 110 Tilke corners on the 2009 calender, 3 I would describe as challenging.
Also, none of the corners on the South Korean track strike me as looking particularly challenging either, even if there turn out to be big elevation changes, which I doubt as it's right alongside the harbour.
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