Slick tyres are back!

Formula 1

In tests in Jerez, F-1 back to use slicks
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20/11/2007 - 09:37





VICTOR MARTINS
In Sao Paulo

In one of the four-day visit to Jerez at the beginning of December, the F-1 wil ,preparing for 2009 , give purists of the sport a reason to smile. The 11 teams will receive Bridgestone slicks, which should return to the category after a decade of absence.

After the season of 1997, won by Jacques Villeneuve at the Spanish circuit, which hosted the GP of Europe that year, Max Mosley decided to promote changes in the chassis, and in the leads, forced the grooves in the tyres, leaving the fight between Goodyear and Bridgestone. In the first season, were three grooves in front tyres and four in rear, from 1999, have become four in both.

F1 teams were and are recurring complaints that the tyre with "grooving" taken too much on the adhesion of cars - the smallest area of contact with the asphalt represent one of the factors for an incessant search for aerodynamics to compensate such a loss, generating the problem of missing the overtakes in GPs.

The FIA has been testing a tour of slicks for at least two years. The goal was to redeem them after imposing the monopoly of tyres for 2008. But the early exit of Michelin, which, after the new rule, gave up from the "auction" against Bridgestone and / or any other provider because of their philosohpy based in competition, hurt FIA plans. Because of the imminence of a new league,FIA agreed to extend the life of tyres with grooves.

In this initial , Bridgestone will send extremely hard tyres , more than used in the current season and in tests last week. The configuration takes into account the products used in GP2, category of access of F-1.

Five pilots were active in the time that the tyre was completely "bald": David Coulthard (Red Bull), Jarno Trulli (Toyota), Rubens Barrichello (Honda), Giancarlo Fisichella and Ralf Schumacher (who fighting a Force India place , in fact, is Adrian Sutil who will use the slicks on the third day of testing of the team that succeeds Spyker ;Fisico will test on the opening day of the trials, while Ralf will run the other car available, changing with Christian Klien and Giedo van der Garde).

also should be helpful Michael Schumacher, which experienced a car without traction control in Barcelona, and in the two days that seat in the F2007, detonated the rest. It will not be at all strange, then, the Ferrari announce that it will use the services of German in another couple of days.



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 11/21/2007 02:48AM by Rodrigo007.

Confused from that :/ lol

So slick's for 2008 or later?

Also ITV-F1 or autosport don't have anythin about slick's.

So it means that slicks will be tested at Jerez sometime soon?

Nickv Wrote:
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> So it means that slicks will be tested at Jerez
> sometime soon?



yea they will use slick tyres in one of the four days at Jerez

Wonder how fast they will be over a lap. I read in F1Racing that they were up to two seconds a lap.

cool, will be nice to see what the cars look like with them compared to without.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

This topic reminded me - I remember hearing about an F1 car testing in F3000 slicks a few years ago. Does anybody know anything about this?

And it's great to hear that they're testing in slicks soon. When you hear things like this you know that they must be very likely to come

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

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Bridgestone will reportedly supply slick tyres for Formula One teams to trial at the upcoming test in Spain.

The FIA announced earlier this year that the planned 2008 reintroduction of slicks, which were banned in favour of the current grooves at the end of 1997, would now be delayed.

But the Dutch magazine Formule 1 Race Report claims that every team will be given several sets of slicks to try at Jerez early next month, ahead of the likely reintroduction of the tyres in 2009.

The publication quotes a BMW Sauber spokesman, and also the concurrence of the Red Bull teams and Honda, as confirming the news.

The Jerez-spec slicks will reportedly be based on the slick tyre currently produced by Bridgestone for the GP2 series.

It is also reported that tyre-warming blankets will not be allowed in 2008.

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"When you begin in this sport you are given a chequebook. Every time you have a big one you must write a check to the angels. The trick is to finish your career before you empty the chequebook".

awesome if they removed tyre blankets. make the drivers earn their money and learn how to make race starts and exit pitstops with cold tyres.

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RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael

danny87 Wrote:
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> Bridgestone will reportedly supply slick tyres for
> Formula One teams to trial at the upcoming test in
> Spain.
>
> The FIA announced earlier this year that the
> planned 2008 reintroduction of slicks, which were
> banned in favour of the current grooves at the end
> of 1997, would now be delayed.
>
> But the Dutch magazine Formule 1 Race Report
> claims that every team will be given several sets
> of slicks to try at Jerez early next month, ahead
> of the likely reintroduction of the tyres in
> 2009.
>
> The publication quotes a BMW Sauber spokesman, and
> also the concurrence of the Red Bull teams and
> Honda, as confirming the news.
>
> The Jerez-spec slicks will reportedly be based on
> the slick tyre currently produced by Bridgestone
> for the GP2 series.
>
> It is also reported that tyre-warming blankets
> will not be allowed in 2008.



cool this just confirms the the first news that they are planning to bring it back for 2009 :DDDD

Muks_C Wrote:
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> awesome if they removed tyre blankets. make the
> drivers earn their money and learn how to make
> race starts and exit pitstops with cold tyres.


Bring it on!
I think bringing back slicks is a great idea now that TC is banned and speeds being too high wont be an issue once they start cutting back on downforce.

Hip hip...hoorayy...slicks will be back :D:D finally :D:D:D:D

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Scuderia Ferrari Forever

2007 was the perfect opportunity to get back to slicks, and so was 2008. the FIA didn't agree to slicks during the tyre war because tyre technology was being pushed to the boundaries of speed and grip, so making them slick would make them even faster.

but now with just a single tyre manufacturer, they can give the fans what we want (slick tyres without ugly grooves) yet still get what they want (limiting the grip available so the cars don't suddenly go 3 seconds faster), because a control tyre is never going to be on the edge of development, it's always going to be a "safe" compound that's not the ultimate compound they could make as they would during a tyre war.

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RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael

yep, true....and i really miss the war between bridgestone and michelin, cuz if there is only 1 supplyer, and now only 1 ecu supplyer too, whats next? same engine and same aero pack? thats gp2 there lol

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Scuderia Ferrari Forever

The difference is that the standard ECU is actually good. If I had to choose between different ECU and TC or the same ECU and no TC, I'd know what to choose.

yep, true....and i really miss the war between bridgestone and michelin, cuz if there is only 1 supplyer, and now only 1 ecu supplyer too, whats next? same engine and same aero pack? thats gp2 there lol

You might want to look into the history of F1 a bit old boy.

In modern F1, they currently use customer engines, brakes, electronics, ECUs (the teams do not make them, they have specialised software companies do it), and tyres.

In 1963 Bruce McLaren founded Bruce McLaren Motor Racing Ltd (which would become Team McLaren as we know it) and raced years with a privateer Cooper chassis and engine. Dan Gurney founded the legendary Anglo American Racers F1 team and ran customer Lotus-Fords at first.

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@Dave ,you are bit wrong about Gurney and that era of F1. he raced factory porsches and brabhams before he started his AAR team, but he always drove his eagle chassis (while driving for AAR), only in 1966 that eagle was equipped with old ex 1.5L Coventry-Climax (brougth up to + 2.0L)engine because Weslake V12 was not ready. But he never used Lotus chassis, not to mention Cosworth engine which alone appeared only at third race of 1967 season (more less the same time as Gurney's Weslake, and Cosworth was used only by works Lotus team during 1967)

Other thing that I have to mention is, although constructors/ drivers (Mclaren in particular) if they used other team's chassis it was so highly modified that it actually was different car. In fact during 1966 and 1967 seasons there was no two same cars on the grid. Even works teams used different cars (lotus used: lotus33-climax, Lotus43-BRM and Lotus49-Cosworth in 1967 season)

Also Gurney was a great innovator : [en.wikipedia.org]
he invented Gurney flaps.

Mclaren aswell used his chassis but equipped with Climax and obscure Serenissima engine. Before he could use Cosworth in 1968.


So you can not compare that period of time with contemporary GP2 series where you have identical car for all.

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Actually I just got mixed up with the years in which the Indy 500 was an official Formula 1 event. Gurney ran the Indy 500 in the 1965 in an AAR Lotus 38 in, which I believe was also Goodyear's "official" effort at giving Firestone a challenge. Only after that was the first Eagle chassis designed, for 1966, which was the same chassis in Indy Car, F1 and USAC.

The point is that customer parts are as old, and older than F1 itself. In 1950 there was 4 teams. The Alfa Romeos were a factory effort (but they still sold the chassis to privateers), Maserti was a semi-works effort, and there was 2 privateers using the same cars.

It may not be possible to directly compare the current GP2 series to these eras, however it's still more sensible than comparing the current F1 series to the current GP2 series.

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@Dave, yes, but the point is F1 in mid '60 was all about innovation, so cars vitually differ from race to race and even teammates had two different cars (lotus in 1966 had only one 43 -usually driven by Clark so Spence had to drive model 33) , customers used chassis but usually equipped with different engine (Reg Parnell's Lotus-Brm as opposed to works Lotus-Climax in 1965).
And today's GP2 is all about all having the same car. So you just can not compare those two. It's a completely different approach to racing.

However if you want to compare modern GP2 to early '50 F1 you can it is ok. Teams got their cars from manufacturers and raced them as they was. But your mentioning Gurney and Mclaren led me to think you were about '60 era. And that is just uncomperable.

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/22/2007 10:31AM by red 5.