Double standards?

I'm just amazed at seeing people siding with McLaren on that one. Especially since it is proven they had the documents, using them or not should have nothing to do with it. And well, why would they have them if they did not plan on using them in the first place?

So here are a few examples..

Someone gets caught with child porn, he tells the judge he had it but never watched it. I guess he obviously is innocent.

Michael Vick... has anyone seen him make two dogs fight? I sure did not, he probably is innocent. I don't care if he had dogs in his gouse, dog blood in his house, cages and whatever. Dude was never caught using them, sorry try again.

You're in class, final exam, you get up and start looking on everyone else's exams then finish your own. You tell the teacher you just looked for the fun of it but did not intend to cheat and did not use any of the answers you saw. I'm sure he'll gladly let you finish your exam in peace.

"Tour de France"... some of them get caught with roids in their bags, but since the piss and blood tests don't show it, I guess it means they obviously do not cheat. Wasnt Rasmussen excluded for NOTHING? The guy didnt do anythign wrong, besides missing a few tests here and there, he was never tested positive. Dude get back in it, the Yellow @#$%& is yours.


So, if you side with McLaren knowing they did have the documents, I guess you support psychos, michael vick, cheaters and steroid abusers too? Double standars much?

Thanks.

4 threads? I'm losing track.

Ferrari fans must realy stop nagging about this,they want to win the title the easy way,by taking the competion out.
it didn't happen,learn to deal with it,u already won too many titles by cheating.

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the first post is stupid, and so is yours HakkF1.

i'm no McLaren fan, I want Kimi to win, but i don't want McLaren thrown out of the championship or their drivers to have points deducted to make it easier for him or Massa, it would be a "fake" championship victory if that happened.

Borohahaha, McLaren were found guilty, because they possessed the documents, but it could not be proved if and/or how they used them, so what did you expect the FIA to do? assume they did use them just because they had the documents and give them a harsh punishment?

that would make no sense either.

your examples are also flawed. if someone has child porn on his computer, how do you know that someone else didn't plant it there, to frame him?

you would't look at everyone else's exam paper because there are people all around you, so you will obviously get caught.

what happened between Ferrari/McLaren went on between 2 people dealing with each other without the knowledge of their own teams, not in the open in front of lots of people like your exam example.

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It's not double standards, it's the typical fanboy-ism that makes you think there are two standards.

McLaren didn't want to use those files, only Coughlan wanted and only Coughlan had them. McLaren wanted him to throw them away. So if anyone on the McLaren-side should be punished, it's only Coughlan and not McLaren.

HakkF1 schrieb:
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> it didn't happen,learn to deal with it,u already
> won too many titles by cheating.


And exactly how can a fan cheat to win a world championship for Ferrari?

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don't get literal on me young man.

to be honest,its hard to beleive that Mclaren didn't benefit from those papers,seeing their performance this year,and Mclaren is not one of those teams who can have strength and reliebilty at the same time.
but am also convinced that Ron Dennis has nothing to do with it.and coughlan is new to the team anyway,its his fourth year i guess.so not as if he is close to Ron or something.
if u look at it,punishing Mclaren is unfair to them,and not punishing Mclaren is unfair to Ferrai.
i think the right puishment would have been Making Mclaren pay some kind of compensation to Ferrari,because after all,Mike is an employ of Mclaren.

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If ferrari would be in position of mclaren and FIA would give the same penalty there would be a 30+ page topic why ferrari got away with it and that if there would be any other team the penalty would be larger and stuff like that.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/28/2007 01:24AM by anze89.

acutally i would have posted 100 threads blaming Fia if it was Ferrari not Mclaren Escaped,but we have to consider that FIA favorated Ferrari for the past 10 Years,so once for Mclaren will not hurt,i think Hamilton realy did us a favor by being british

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People are blaming mclaren and its the FIA that should be blamed for not passing a judgement ferrari wanted.

For once the FIA did not side with ferrari there is all this.

The verdict is neither flawed or ridiculous. It is clear that the two cars are designed around two completely different philosophies just by looking at them. Also, to say Ferrari's mid-season struggle was as a result of McLaren having the documents is wrong. Why would Ferrari fall back, just because McLaren has some design documents. If Ferrari were ahead, and McLaren, suddenly out of nowhere were as fast as them, maybe it would be believable.

Another point (could be wrong here) is that the F2007 is designed around a zero keel wishbone arrangement, whereas the MP422 uses a twin keel layout. Surely if McLaren actually implemented some of Ferrari's technology it simply wouldn't work and would probably only make their cars aerodynamically at least, about as efficient as this years Honda.

To me it seems that Ferrari are using this to try and pull back their championship lead, which they would not have to do if only their car was reliable.

To me it is clear that Coughlan and Stepney were in cohorts, and were both looking to move to another team. It must be remembered that a lot of the "facts" reported by the press is probably wrong or just made up. Only the FIA know the full story, and only they can make a fair judgement on the matter.

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It will take some time before all the facts are known, until then Ferrari fans will cry foul and others will be glad that the championship is still on.

If Ferrari are so adamant that Mclaren have benefited from their plans i'm sure they'll dig up something in the future to get Mclaren back in the dock and if they have indeed gained an advantage then they should be punished accordingly.

As i said before ferrari won with car mclaren had the plans for. Ferrari had major changes for spain and mclaren did not have these plans, the changes ferrari made to the car did not work and until france when yet more updates were done ferrari did not win.

And mclaren did not just complain about ferrari's floor it was also the BMW floor.

It was one man at mclaren that had the plans and this is what mclaren got done for, that fact mike was employed by them.

Both Mike and Nigel are up to something away from their 2 teams. If Mike was doing this on behalf of mclaren he would take them to court but he has done nothing at all.

And the bit of paper he signed can not be used as ferrari leaked it to the press.

i reckon the performance difference between the 2 teams is more to do with Ferrari's windtunnel failure, than a McLaren employee having Ferrari documents. Ferrari stood still in development while it was being sorted out, while the other teams, including McLaren, were able to continue their normal development pace.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/28/2007 05:32PM by Muks_C.

I think Muks has stumbled on the truth here:

Stepney passes the document to Coughlan. Coughlan travels to Italy, and, after being let in the back door by Stepney, shoves the fat document into the mechanism of the wind tunnel, breaking the rolling road and stopping Ferraris progress!

It all makes sense...



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