Ilegal v8s

this could cause some probs

F1's engine makers are likely to endure a nervous season opening race in Bahrain this March.

According to Toyota's engine boss Luca Marmorini, the FIA has not yet made it clear how - for example - a new rule governing the centre of gravity will be measured. Teams are also unsure of things like what liquids will be counted by the FIA as part of the engine's weight.

Previously, centre of gravity and engine weight were not regulated.

However, as evidenced by BAR-Honda last year, the FIA is not afraid to hand down multiple race bans for even minor infringements of the rules. Maximum penalties extend to total championship exclusion.

Marmorini suggested that, no matter how the FIA decide to measure the engine, Toyota's new V8 power plant will come close to the minimum weight of 95 kgs.

the FIA has not yet made it clear

for a change :|
'..hmm it seems everyone has been cheating. except, um, f******..'


the FIA is not afraid to hand down multiple race bans for even minor infringements of the rules

cheating for atleast a year and a half is minor??

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Tony

5.5 Weight and centre of gravity :
5.5.1 The overall weight of the engine must be a minimum of 95kg.
5.5.2 The centre of gravity of the engine may not lie less than 165mm above the reference plane.
5.5.3 The longitudinal and lateral position of the centre of gravity of the engine must fall within a region that is the geometric centre of the engine, +/- 50mm.
5.5.4 When establishing conformity with Article 5.5, the engine will include the intake system up to and including the air filter, fuel rail and injectors, ignition coils, engine mounted sensors and wiring, alternator, coolant pumps and oil pumps.
5.5.5 When establishing conformity with Article 5.5, the engine will not include liquids, exhaust manifolds, heat shields, oil tanks, water system accumulators, heat exchangers, hydraulic system (e.g. pumps, accumulators, manifolds, servo-valves, solenoids, actuators) except servo-valve and actuator for engine throttle control, fuel pumps nor any component not mounted on the engine when fitted to the car

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It doesnt seem like there's very much incentive to go V8s right now :/

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i have a funny feeling mclaren will use a v10 until imola

Luca, it looks to me like you can't include Oil, fuel or coolant. If you have to put some kind of ballast weight on it to get up to 95kg, that is part of the engine and has to be taken into consideration for the CoG rules. Sorry
Am I right in thinking that Toyota are doing everything they can to hog the publicity at the moment?

Them and MS i would say are doing all they can to get in the press.

But the thing is are any of them saying what is being printed.

Toyota do this every year as they get their new car out so early, gets them spoken about its a good publicity stunt even though the car they show is not the car that will be raced at the season start.

and what exactly is MS doing to get himself in the press?

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this retire talk and swapping teams talk happens every year though, its not his fault its just people asking the same questions

tripleM Wrote:
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> 5.5 Weight and centre of gravity :
> 5.5.1 The overall weight of the engine must be a
> minimum of 95kg.
> 5.5.2 The centre of gravity of the engine may not
> lie less than 165mm above the reference plane.
> 5.5.3 The longitudinal and lateral position of the
> centre of gravity of the engine must fall within a
> region that is the geometric centre of the engine,
> +/- 50mm.
> 5.5.4 When establishing conformity with Article
> 5.5, the engine will include the intake system up
> to and including the air filter, fuel rail and
> injectors, ignition coils, engine mounted sensors
> and wiring, alternator, coolant pumps and oil
> pumps.
> 5.5.5 When establishing conformity with Article
> 5.5, the engine will not include liquids, exhaust
> manifolds, heat shields, oil tanks, water system
> accumulators, heat exchangers, hydraulic system
> (e.g. pumps, accumulators, manifolds,
> servo-valves, solenoids, actuators) except
> servo-valve and actuator for engine throttle
> control, fuel pumps nor any component not mounted
> on the engine when fitted to the car
>

did toyota read that? lol, seems pretty clear cut... dry weight of the engine, without any ancilliaries..

Refering to people changing between V10s and v8s, they cannot. The only team that signed on to use a v10 limited was Minardi (now STR) the rest have to run with v8 units.

It was only a rumour that Mclaren are now using a V10 because of poor reliability v8 units being redesigned. Mclaren released a statement saying that is not the case and that they have withdrawn using the v8 unit because it is now being mounted especially for the MP4/21, a perfectly logical explanation.

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