The UK General Election
Posted by Covfan
I think I am a prime example of what happens when things take a big nose down. Something that would otherwise only mildly annoy or affect can escalate and build up to an explodable vent of frustration and anger. In this case, it becomes far too easy to point fingers and create drastic ideas to sort the problems out.
And because of that, it is people like myself that get this false impression that the only way to fix it is by swerving in the complete opposite direction. ie, the fascism comparison.
Unfortunately, Newtons law of opposites doesn't particularly work in terms of Politics. Too many grey areas.
As much as I thought before castrating that part of society off would work, it only leaves to serve that someone next will also be the bottom of the pile, and face the cut. Nobody is ever safe, and then it would just get nasty and very elitist. That would never work. Fully agree.
But then this is where we get stuck. We need to make people less volatile; at the same time as not offending or hurting those in genuine need of support.
The conservative push for making people do something for their benefits versus labours ease of dishing out money just adds which side you sit on.
That for me is a very big reason for my vote, so it held a big case in my posts.
45 minutes left until the polling stations close.
No doubt this thread and the media has bored you all with it, but is anyone watching the live shows on tv tonight at all?
I think I am going to watch channel 4's alternative election show for a bit, and switch to the beeb for the early hours. I find it quite exciting. Sad, isn't it?
Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it
And because of that, it is people like myself that get this false impression that the only way to fix it is by swerving in the complete opposite direction. ie, the fascism comparison.
Unfortunately, Newtons law of opposites doesn't particularly work in terms of Politics. Too many grey areas.
As much as I thought before castrating that part of society off would work, it only leaves to serve that someone next will also be the bottom of the pile, and face the cut. Nobody is ever safe, and then it would just get nasty and very elitist. That would never work. Fully agree.
But then this is where we get stuck. We need to make people less volatile; at the same time as not offending or hurting those in genuine need of support.
The conservative push for making people do something for their benefits versus labours ease of dishing out money just adds which side you sit on.
That for me is a very big reason for my vote, so it held a big case in my posts.
45 minutes left until the polling stations close.
No doubt this thread and the media has bored you all with it, but is anyone watching the live shows on tv tonight at all?
I think I am going to watch channel 4's alternative election show for a bit, and switch to the beeb for the early hours. I find it quite exciting. Sad, isn't it?
Not sure how accurate this is, but the prediction on the BBC website here is for the Conservatives to win the most seats, but not get an overall majority.
[news.bbc.co.uk]
[news.bbc.co.uk]
Yeah. Hung Parliament.
How many of the lesser informed Lib Dem voters are going to wake up tomorrow and think '$hit. Why is Brown still in some form of power?'.
Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it
How many of the lesser informed Lib Dem voters are going to wake up tomorrow and think '$hit. Why is Brown still in some form of power?'.
Declare some @#$%& seats, damnit!!!!!
The one time a large number of people want to vote, and they don't get to because polling stations run out of ballot papers/the law won't permit the polling deadline to be extended. Marvellous.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/07/2010 01:42AM by EC83.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/07/2010 01:42AM by EC83.
Whatever happens, its going to be a very hard year ahead.
People like danm think its bad now (citing some good examples as to why), with all due respect, you haven't seen anything yet.
The substantial debt that we are now in has to be reduced drastically in one form or another, regardless of what party is in power. This has been referred to Labour as why the NI increase is needed. The Tories cite the problem as something we all have to "suffer" together, so will look at something more overall. Either way, it will be pay freezes, public sector cuts and tax increases across the board if you're Red, Blue or Yellow.
A hung parliament will only make things worse. While they bicker over who gets the high chair, the market shares will start to free fall with no solid policy or guidelines to go by.
At least it'll be interesting!
People like danm think its bad now (citing some good examples as to why), with all due respect, you haven't seen anything yet.
The substantial debt that we are now in has to be reduced drastically in one form or another, regardless of what party is in power. This has been referred to Labour as why the NI increase is needed. The Tories cite the problem as something we all have to "suffer" together, so will look at something more overall. Either way, it will be pay freezes, public sector cuts and tax increases across the board if you're Red, Blue or Yellow.
A hung parliament will only make things worse. While they bicker over who gets the high chair, the market shares will start to free fall with no solid policy or guidelines to go by.
At least it'll be interesting!
97kirkc Wrote:
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> Whatever happens, its going to be a very hard year
> ahead.
>
> People like danm think its bad now (citing some
> good examples as to why), with all due respect,
> you haven't seen anything yet.
Definitely. Call me pessimistic, but I get the feeling we're heading into a period of several years(possibly even all this decade) of economic gloom and hardship which will make the period of the late 1970s/early 1980s look like a boom time. The economy now is actually in a much worse state than it was then - nationally and globally.
> At least it'll be interesting!
Agreed.
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> Whatever happens, its going to be a very hard year
> ahead.
>
> People like danm think its bad now (citing some
> good examples as to why), with all due respect,
> you haven't seen anything yet.
Definitely. Call me pessimistic, but I get the feeling we're heading into a period of several years(possibly even all this decade) of economic gloom and hardship which will make the period of the late 1970s/early 1980s look like a boom time. The economy now is actually in a much worse state than it was then - nationally and globally.
> At least it'll be interesting!
Agreed.
I don't think it will be quite as bad as the 70s or 80s, I can't see us closing businesses early so we can have rolling black outs in order to conserve resources at this point anyway! But its certainly going to get worse before it gets better, and I hope people have realised that and aren't deluded just by a change at the top.
I think the way in which it could be even worse is the sheer amount of debt we've built up now, and how we go about trying to pay it off. It's a bit like getting stupidly drunk IMO, knowing you've got a killer hangover about to kick in, and not knowing how to deal with it.
Looks so far like Labour are pulling way ahead. This isn't looking great.
At least it looks like people have been sensible enough not to vote for the BNP in large numbers, thank God.
At least it looks like people have been sensible enough not to vote for the BNP in large numbers, thank God.
At least it looks like this will be much closer than any of the previous recent elections which Labour won.
Wow, this is close!! Think I've chosen a good election to stay up watching.
A bit surprising maybe that the Lib Dems are so far out of it, but history does tend to repeat itself. At least they'll still have a say if it's a hung parliament.
A bit surprising maybe that the Lib Dems are so far out of it, but history does tend to repeat itself. At least they'll still have a say if it's a hung parliament.
This is so tense and close. Makes for great TV!
And I actually said earlier I believe things are going to be very bad. I am under no illusion of how hard it is going to be. The sad part is a lot of people are going to put the hard times as part of Conservative governing, when really it is the seeds of Labour sprouting.
And what is worse, just as things patch up globally, if the Conservatives win and start to have an actual impact without other factors to fight first, they will get voted out. A shame, really.
I don't like the smarmyness of all this coalition @#$%&. You could almost sense this was a done deal from the start, way, way way when the Lib Dems became a media interest.
Can Cameron do the same with the others? How open are the smaller parties to a coalition? I'd hate it to come to that, but fight fire with fire.
btw this twerp made me laugh earlier. FIGHT THE POWER!
Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/07/2010 06:19AM by danm.
And I actually said earlier I believe things are going to be very bad. I am under no illusion of how hard it is going to be. The sad part is a lot of people are going to put the hard times as part of Conservative governing, when really it is the seeds of Labour sprouting.
And what is worse, just as things patch up globally, if the Conservatives win and start to have an actual impact without other factors to fight first, they will get voted out. A shame, really.
I don't like the smarmyness of all this coalition @#$%&. You could almost sense this was a done deal from the start, way, way way when the Lib Dems became a media interest.
Can Cameron do the same with the others? How open are the smaller parties to a coalition? I'd hate it to come to that, but fight fire with fire.
btw this twerp made me laugh earlier. FIGHT THE POWER!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/07/2010 06:19AM by danm.
If Clegg joins Brown in a coalition, wouldn't that be hypocritical of his preaching on a reform of the current voting system?
I can't see it happening. If he refuses, he will rocket in respect.
Another man amused me. Mr Sunflower. Bahaha.
Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/07/2010 07:13AM by danm.
I can't see it happening. If he refuses, he will rocket in respect.
Another man amused me. Mr Sunflower. Bahaha.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/07/2010 07:13AM by danm.
This is nuts! Has any election ever dragged on this long?! Jeez!
Think I would've been better off going to sleep and waking up as normal, then I would've caught the end of it at least :P And basically missed nothing :P
Think I would've been better off going to sleep and waking up as normal, then I would've caught the end of it at least :P And basically missed nothing :P
Think we should pay close attention to the political developments in the UK over the next few days/weeks/months, people. I think they're going to be both momentous and fascinating, and could prove to be a turning point in our history.
WHAT has happened to all the unofficial support for the Lib Dems over the past few weeks!? 
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