Grand Prix Legends
Posted by Korn_Freak
i dont agree with that either, ive heard jackie speek a lot about it, weekend of a champion is a classic example if any of you remember it from C4 in 96, or get the chance to see it
the problem with that, is that it induces understeer, being down on the front suspension, all weight forward, pushing you on, it may provide better traction for the front wheels, but combined with the lightness over the rear (Where you want it to be on the exit) it will cause a problem
The whole point of doing it (and it works) is to reduce understeer because the front tyres have more weight on them so they grip better, when you start accelerating the weight shifts to the rear so its not a problem, plus the rear is light pretty often in GPL so you learn to live with it
the problem with that, is that it induces understeer, being down on the front suspension, all weight forward, pushing you on, it may provide better traction for the front wheels, but combined with the lightness over the rear (Where you want it to be on the exit) it will cause a problem
The whole point of doing it (and it works) is to reduce understeer because the front tyres have more weight on them so they grip better, when you start accelerating the weight shifts to the rear so its not a problem, plus the rear is light pretty often in GPL so you learn to live with it
It wont turn if you 'slam the brakes on' because they'd be locked up, the whole concept of trail braking is about gradually decreasing the pressure on the brakes until you get to the apex therefore keeping weight on the front tyres (more downward pressure on tyres = more grip) and trail braking is a very important skill to learn in GPL.
I think it was Andretti who said "its amazing how many drivers think that brakes are for slowing the car down" he was referring to their use in controlling the weight distribution of the car.
I think it was Andretti who said "its amazing how many drivers think that brakes are for slowing the car down" he was referring to their use in controlling the weight distribution of the car.
Here's my driving tips:
1. On entering a corner, lock the wheels. This stops you from steering all over the place, and ensures the car continues in a straight line.
2. When going round the corner, just steer.
3. On the exit of the corner, nail the throttle and keep the car pointing in a straight line using the steering wheel. Steering wheel control is much easier than throttle control.
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1. On entering a corner, lock the wheels. This stops you from steering all over the place, and ensures the car continues in a straight line.
2. When going round the corner, just steer.
3. On the exit of the corner, nail the throttle and keep the car pointing in a straight line using the steering wheel. Steering wheel control is much easier than throttle control.
*cough* joke *cough*
Why brake if you can't fix it?
REHAB IS FOR QUITTERS
REHAB IS FOR QUITTERS
i meant, come off the brakes sharply and try to turn in, it wont because of the loading on the front, it will understeer
coming off the brakes will unload the front (relative to if you keep the brakes on) inducing the understeer, thats what i'm saying, keep the brakes on and have weight on the front tyres
coming off the brakes will unload the front (relative to if you keep the brakes on) inducing the understeer, thats what i'm saying, keep the brakes on and have weight on the front tyres
coming off the brakes lighty in trail braking with the throttle on, will not be a problem as you say, but the violant unsettling of the car having all the weight on the front, going in fast, sharply coming off will cause understeer, what i am trying to say, not very well, its the forward momentum with the weight and unsettling of the car, causes the understeer, you explain it better there... 
just my bad explaining, sorry :-S
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24 Heures Du Mans 18-19 June 2005
just my bad explaining, sorry :-S------------------------------------
24 Heures Du Mans 18-19 June 2005
lol ok, we were argueing when in fact we meant the same thing
If i was trying to learn how to play GPL from that bunch of posts id be very confused now
if your spinning out, it may be bacuase your downshifting too early causing the rears to lock. rear wheels lock = massive oversteer and spin.
when i first started i would roll off the throttle and apply my brake to about half way if u hear it screetching then good stay at that point but if u see the wheels LOCK and or smoke then release the pedal abit, dont lock your brakes!!
while braking for the corner, example turn 1 at silverstone, slowly go down the gears untill u get to second gear, dont go modern F1 style and get from top gear to lowest gear in .2 of sec, do it in time like driving a road car...
if u keep running wide and going too fast and off the track then choose an earlier braking point untill u can make all the corners and then start to figure out how to brake harder better and later.
oh and remember not too turn and brake at the same time, brake in a striaght line then when u think your going slow enough to make the corner, turn and accelerate.... lots of practice and it will come naturally but thats all the tips i can give you
hope this doesnt confuse you more or contradict what the others said... too much
if your spinning out, it may be bacuase your downshifting too early causing the rears to lock. rear wheels lock = massive oversteer and spin.
when i first started i would roll off the throttle and apply my brake to about half way if u hear it screetching then good stay at that point but if u see the wheels LOCK and or smoke then release the pedal abit, dont lock your brakes!!
while braking for the corner, example turn 1 at silverstone, slowly go down the gears untill u get to second gear, dont go modern F1 style and get from top gear to lowest gear in .2 of sec, do it in time like driving a road car...
if u keep running wide and going too fast and off the track then choose an earlier braking point untill u can make all the corners and then start to figure out how to brake harder better and later.
oh and remember not too turn and brake at the same time, brake in a striaght line then when u think your going slow enough to make the corner, turn and accelerate.... lots of practice and it will come naturally but thats all the tips i can give you
hope this doesnt confuse you more or contradict what the others said... too much
Try a different car. With the Lotus I had no problems with braking but in the Ferrari I kept spinning out.
yeah thanks guys
I think i got it down pat, i just have to become more Consistant, and learn to not over rev the engine as much (wich i am starting to be able to do) so in time i think ill have it sorted
yeh: "get a joystick or analogue pad"
Sim
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Why wont you buy a wheel?
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