thestig88 Wrote:
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> The feeling amongst some
> that "unless you're highly educated then you don't
> deserve to vote" is just snobbery and elitism at
> its worse and shows the divide between people is
> growing. I trust common sense over "education"
> most times.
That's not it, it's that so many people neglected to educate themselves beforehand about what actually would happen. The information was readily available, but far too many people voted one way because "that's what my mates are doing". In my mind, remaining was common sense; we have (sorry, HAD) everything ready for us, and now we're in the hands of three buffoons who didn't even devise a post-referendum plan.
> And when I ask myself, what's more important,
> youths being able the "luxury" of travelling
> around Europe easier, or the "luxury" of me (and
> millions of other struggling hard working
> families) actually having £10 spare for said
> luxuries after paying our bills, mortgage, feeding
> my wife and young daughter, (holidays - once every
> few years if we're lucky?) after working 7 days a
> week (as an I.T. engineer), then I know which side
> I'm on.
What a rubbish argument. People rely on the free transit of labour for their jobs, it's not just case of going on holiday. Now, people are at risk of losing those jobs if negotiations to retain free movement aren't fruitful. Regardless, I'd expect any money that we've "saved" from going to the EU will end up going back in to allow us access to the EEA, if not more.
> Yep, both sides lied through their teeth, and like
> the 2015 GE it was vile and nasty, but I hope that
> this will be the kick up the backside Politics
> needs, in that Govts are now open and honest and
> listen to the people. And if the EU can finally
> realise that its seriously flawed and re-invents
> itself for the better.
Yes, but is cutting off your nose to spite your face REALLY the best option? If it was a close Remain win, I'm confident we'd have the ammunition to go into the EU and say "look, the people are worried, let's fix this".
> This is what happens when
> the people continually get trodden on by
> establishments - they eventually revolt.
But the biggest demographic in favour of Leave was the boomer generation! And they've NEVER been trodden on by the establishment, they've had absolutely everything on a plate. Upward economic mobility (about the time the EU was created, no?), free higher education, amazing employment rates and early retirement with cushy pensions.
> 2nd Referendum, 3rd Referendum, where does it end?
> Have the Euro 2016 Football Final replayed if the
> losing team aren't happy, it sets a bad precedent.
> The date was set for the Referendum, you make your
> choice, cross the box, and the result was what it
> was. *****Prepares myself for forum execution
> *****
I haven't signed a petition for a 2nd ref, and I never will, since this was a democratic election with a democratic result. What is sickening is that we're now going to leave, and Boris Johnson and Michael Gove haven't got a clue what to do next. Nobody has. They didn't plan for this at all, they threw everything at getting a result without stepping back and working out a cohesive strategy. Nigel Farage probably has a plan, but it's probably something unsavoury and it's for the best that he's not going to be allowed to get involved with any further negotiations. Whomever ends up as the new Tory leader is going to cop it almost immediately, because they'll have blood on their hands either way. Don't activate article 50, and face the uproar from Farage's little England army. Activate it, and face the uproar from everybody else as well as a subsequent economic meltdown (and the prospect of losing Northern Ireland and Scotland).
I am fine with the fact that people have disdain for the EU's bureaucratic process, but anyone who voted Leave has waived their right to moan about it, as far as I'm concerned. They didn't want to try to stick around and change things for the better.
EDIT: Please don't take this as an attack, you voted for what you believed in and I appreciate that.
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