1967
Posted by b-tone
Its pretty hard to adapt GP4 accurately as there was 11 championship races and between 15 and 21 entrants at each one.
I've included the drivers for various reasons. the main teams are obvious but the 'extras' aren't 100% spot on.
ie. McLaren drove 3 times for Eagle and 6 for his own team, Bob Anderson was killed after silverstone, and Bandini at Monaco - his only race of 67.
Bandini's replacement, mike parkes, only raced twice before a bad accident at spa.
A note on safety in that era, 11 of these 22 died between 67 and the early 70s
This is the line up:
1 - Jack Brabham - AUS - Brabham Racing Organisation
2 - Denis Hulme - NZL - Brabham Racing Organisation
3 - Chris Amon - NZL - Scuderia Ferrari SEFAC
18 - Lorenzo Bandini - ITA - Scuderia Ferrari SEFAC
5 - Jim Clark - GBR - Team Lotus
6 - Graham Hill - GBR - Team Lotus
7 - Mike Spence - GBR - Owen Racing Organisation
8 - Jackie Stewart - GBR - Owen Racing Organisation
9 - Dan Gurney - USA - All American Racers
10 - Richie Ginther - USA - All American Racers
11 - Pedro Rodriguez - MEX - Cooper Car Company
12 - Jochen Rindt - AUT - Cooper Car Company
14 - John Surtees - GBR - Honda R and D Company
22 - Jean-Pierre Beltoise - FRA - Matra Sports
19 - Bruce McLaren - NZL - Bruce McLaren Motor Racing Ltd
20 - Jacky Ickx - BEL - Cooper Car Company
15 - Chris Irwin - GBR - Reg Parnell Racing Ltd
16 - Piers Courage - GBR - Reg Parnell Racing Ltd
34 - Jo Siffert - SUI - Rob Walker - Jack Durlacher Racing Team
39 - Joakim Bonnier - SWE - Joakim Bonnier Racing Team
17 - Bob Anderson - GBR - DW Racing Enterprises
32 - Guy Ligier - FRA - Privateer
And the approxiamate performance differences
poor guy ligier - he was 33 seconds off the pace at spa and 1:10 down at nurb.
And some pics of the cockpit i'm working on. Its based on Brabham with a lotus steering wheel.
note the slightly distorted, but realistic, 60s style mirror glass
The cars and textures are done by the late Neil Bainbridge. As andrew says they are made for scgt, and I've converted them for gp4 and added some textures.
Release 2 will have some improvements on the cars and textures, but they are fine now and look great in game.
Before yous complain about tracks, I'm working on that. But theres no reason someone cant build a 60s track environment in 3dsmax, or edit as much as possible (track layout, cameras, etc etc) in Lo2k's 3D Editor - get a head start for when TEing is 100% possible!
To answer your questions:
when is the 88 mod coming.. ?
soon - i planning to make a release pretty soon.
How did you change the drivers stats like that Jackie Stewart one?
tricks of the trade
Do they handle like '67 cars?
hopefully. i'm using a physics file that lets me drive half a lap sometimes without spinning - but i'm not very good. just needs some tweaks - but it'll handle more like 67 than 2001 anyway
owen racing organisation should be brm btw, just noticed that
yeah, they were brm but called owen if my research is right.
this is what i found on f1-facts.com (and other places):
1951: BRM Ltd
1954-1970: Owen Racing Organisation
1960: Arthur Owen
1970-1972: Yardley Team BRM
1972: Espana Marlboro BRM
1972: Austria Marlboro BRM
1972-1973: Marlboro BRM
1974: Team Motul BRM
1975-1977: Stanley BRM
1977: Rotary Watches Stanley BRM
the cars look a bit "squashed"
can you explain what you mean?
A month ago, I wanted to buy F1 grandprix legends... But with this mod, I think I'm not going to buy.
In which case your losing out ALOT then
well, at this stage this won't have online play, and i havent played gpl, so maybe it will challenge gpl?? who knows - but dont judge too early
Also coming:
Detailed GPaedia
67 videos
somewhat re-done menus
music
track updates
(all made to be used with Carset Manager by Zaz, of course )
well, feel free to post critiques, suggestions, praise, and be patient (although excel says its 90.2674772 percent done
)
____
Tony
I've included the drivers for various reasons. the main teams are obvious but the 'extras' aren't 100% spot on.
ie. McLaren drove 3 times for Eagle and 6 for his own team, Bob Anderson was killed after silverstone, and Bandini at Monaco - his only race of 67.
Bandini's replacement, mike parkes, only raced twice before a bad accident at spa.
A note on safety in that era, 11 of these 22 died between 67 and the early 70s
This is the line up:
1 - Jack Brabham - AUS - Brabham Racing Organisation
2 - Denis Hulme - NZL - Brabham Racing Organisation
3 - Chris Amon - NZL - Scuderia Ferrari SEFAC
18 - Lorenzo Bandini - ITA - Scuderia Ferrari SEFAC
5 - Jim Clark - GBR - Team Lotus
6 - Graham Hill - GBR - Team Lotus
7 - Mike Spence - GBR - Owen Racing Organisation
8 - Jackie Stewart - GBR - Owen Racing Organisation
9 - Dan Gurney - USA - All American Racers
10 - Richie Ginther - USA - All American Racers
11 - Pedro Rodriguez - MEX - Cooper Car Company
12 - Jochen Rindt - AUT - Cooper Car Company
14 - John Surtees - GBR - Honda R and D Company
22 - Jean-Pierre Beltoise - FRA - Matra Sports
19 - Bruce McLaren - NZL - Bruce McLaren Motor Racing Ltd
20 - Jacky Ickx - BEL - Cooper Car Company
15 - Chris Irwin - GBR - Reg Parnell Racing Ltd
16 - Piers Courage - GBR - Reg Parnell Racing Ltd
34 - Jo Siffert - SUI - Rob Walker - Jack Durlacher Racing Team
39 - Joakim Bonnier - SWE - Joakim Bonnier Racing Team
17 - Bob Anderson - GBR - DW Racing Enterprises
32 - Guy Ligier - FRA - Privateer
And the approxiamate performance differences
poor guy ligier - he was 33 seconds off the pace at spa and 1:10 down at nurb.
And some pics of the cockpit i'm working on. Its based on Brabham with a lotus steering wheel.
note the slightly distorted, but realistic, 60s style mirror glass
The cars and textures are done by the late Neil Bainbridge. As andrew says they are made for scgt, and I've converted them for gp4 and added some textures.
Release 2 will have some improvements on the cars and textures, but they are fine now and look great in game.
Before yous complain about tracks, I'm working on that. But theres no reason someone cant build a 60s track environment in 3dsmax, or edit as much as possible (track layout, cameras, etc etc) in Lo2k's 3D Editor - get a head start for when TEing is 100% possible!
To answer your questions:
when is the 88 mod coming.. ?
soon - i planning to make a release pretty soon.
How did you change the drivers stats like that Jackie Stewart one?
tricks of the trade
Do they handle like '67 cars?
hopefully. i'm using a physics file that lets me drive half a lap sometimes without spinning - but i'm not very good. just needs some tweaks - but it'll handle more like 67 than 2001 anyway
owen racing organisation should be brm btw, just noticed that
yeah, they were brm but called owen if my research is right.
this is what i found on f1-facts.com (and other places):
1951: BRM Ltd
1954-1970: Owen Racing Organisation
1960: Arthur Owen
1970-1972: Yardley Team BRM
1972: Espana Marlboro BRM
1972: Austria Marlboro BRM
1972-1973: Marlboro BRM
1974: Team Motul BRM
1975-1977: Stanley BRM
1977: Rotary Watches Stanley BRM
the cars look a bit "squashed"
can you explain what you mean?
A month ago, I wanted to buy F1 grandprix legends... But with this mod, I think I'm not going to buy.
In which case your losing out ALOT then
well, at this stage this won't have online play, and i havent played gpl, so maybe it will challenge gpl?? who knows - but dont judge too early
Also coming:
Detailed GPaedia
67 videos
somewhat re-done menus
music
track updates
(all made to be used with Carset Manager by Zaz, of course
)well, feel free to post critiques, suggestions, praise, and be patient (although excel says its 90.2674772 percent done
)____
Tony
I'll just say this to those that haven't played GPL:
If you can, get it, get the addons and patches, and there is no better motor racing simulation out there.
I'm impressed with that cockpit, b-tone
If you can, get it, get the addons and patches, and there is no better motor racing simulation out there.
I'm impressed with that cockpit, b-tone
yeah, i want to know how to get a round wheel
they were brm, always were and always have been, just that they were owned by sir alfred owen, for a lot of that time, trust me on that one....
about tracks if its possable to create track objects for the 60s round a modern unchanged gp4 layout i may be interested...
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24 Heures Du Mans 18-19 June 2005
they were brm, always were and always have been, just that they were owned by sir alfred owen, for a lot of that time, trust me on that one....
about tracks if its possable to create track objects for the 60s round a modern unchanged gp4 layout i may be interested...
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24 Heures Du Mans 18-19 June 2005
I don't want to sound funny, but there is a perfectly good game available for simulating 60's F1, it has tracks and everything!
It's only a fiver, and you can play online, and the cars look better, and all the drivers are there, and there are hundreds of add-on tracks available, and the physics are probably better, and...
Post Edited (11-10-03 23:56)
mikehoyer80@hotmail.com
It's only a fiver, and you can play online, and the cars look better, and all the drivers are there, and there are hundreds of add-on tracks available, and the physics are probably better, and...
Post Edited (11-10-03 23:56)
mikehoyer80@hotmail.com
awesome work indeed.
However if you want the 67 season you would be best to look around for GPL.
With all the huge amounts of awesome addons, and amazing tracks nothing will compare (IMHO)
Simon.
plus amazing online racing with upto 20 other people
I look forward to later year models for GP4, 80's to early 90's
Post Edited (11-11-03 00:51)
However if you want the 67 season you would be best to look around for GPL.
With all the huge amounts of awesome addons, and amazing tracks nothing will compare (IMHO)
Simon.
plus amazing online racing with upto 20 other people
I look forward to later year models for GP4, 80's to early 90's
Post Edited (11-11-03 00:51)
Hey we are just giving some feed back Andrew.
Anyone making a 1967 set are bound to be compared to GPL, as its the ultimate 1967 racing sim
His work is awesome, but as GPL simulates the 1967 season so well it does seem a total waste of his great modeling skill...
Would have been best to go for a 69-70 set I feel.... with wings
Just my feed back...
Simon.
Anyone making a 1967 set are bound to be compared to GPL, as its the ultimate 1967 racing sim
His work is awesome, but as GPL simulates the 1967 season so well it does seem a total waste of his great modeling skill...
Would have been best to go for a 69-70 set I feel.... with wings
Just my feed back...
Simon.
thanks for the encouraging words andrew and others
as i said the cars are not by me, but have been converted from another game. but a lot of work has gone into this none the less - all the teamarts, loading pictures, perf, physics, gpaedia etc are my work and i hope some can look past the cars and see everything else.
doing this is good for me to learn 3d modelling, graphics, a little programming and even some f1 history, so atleast i gain something from it.
personally i'm not overly fussy on carshapes, so i havent spent too much time on them. i converted them quickly, and will tweak them a bit later on, but for now they're fine.
of course i should have mentioned that no one will be forced to download this.
if you're happy with gpl then go play it. I'm sure some will download this
and be happy with it - i am.
this is my 3rd full mod, and i'll probably do more, but it is a lot of work, and getting negative feedback will only make me think twice before i start the next one.
i'd like to have every f1 set since 1950 (and earlier), so anything is a start. these carshapes were already made and available to me so having the cars and textures is a pretty good base to build a full mod.
where would we be now if geoff crammond had walked out of his chippie thinking that pole position is a great f1 sim and impossible to improve on???
those screens from gpl look great - the cars look quite high detailed.
the mod i'm working on should work on most pcs as the carshapes are all quite low poly.
as for brm, i've always known them as that, just as i think of kimi's current team as 'mclaren' and not 'team west mclaren mercedes' or whatever. just a question of accuracy i guess.
____
Tony
as i said the cars are not by me, but have been converted from another game. but a lot of work has gone into this none the less - all the teamarts, loading pictures, perf, physics, gpaedia etc are my work and i hope some can look past the cars and see everything else.
doing this is good for me to learn 3d modelling, graphics, a little programming and even some f1 history, so atleast i gain something from it.
personally i'm not overly fussy on carshapes, so i havent spent too much time on them. i converted them quickly, and will tweak them a bit later on, but for now they're fine.
of course i should have mentioned that no one will be forced to download this.
if you're happy with gpl then go play it. I'm sure some will download this
and be happy with it - i am.
this is my 3rd full mod, and i'll probably do more, but it is a lot of work, and getting negative feedback will only make me think twice before i start the next one.
i'd like to have every f1 set since 1950 (and earlier), so anything is a start. these carshapes were already made and available to me so having the cars and textures is a pretty good base to build a full mod.
where would we be now if geoff crammond had walked out of his chippie thinking that pole position is a great f1 sim and impossible to improve on???
those screens from gpl look great - the cars look quite high detailed.
the mod i'm working on should work on most pcs as the carshapes are all quite low poly.
as for brm, i've always known them as that, just as i think of kimi's current team as 'mclaren' and not 'team west mclaren mercedes' or whatever. just a question of accuracy i guess.
____
Tony
and getting negative feedback will only make me think twice before i start the next one.
negative feedback?? i haven't seen any.. i personaly think the stuff you do is wasome.. i mean the ITC mod was and is fantastic.. I will probably be one of the first guys who will download the new mod.. i have gpl with all the update but i don't see a reason why i shouldn't download this..
negative feedback?? i haven't seen any.. i personaly think the stuff you do is wasome.. i mean the ITC mod was and is fantastic.. I will probably be one of the first guys who will download the new mod.. i have gpl with all the update but i don't see a reason why i shouldn't download this..
Fantastic stuff b-tone keep up the good work.
Dont worry about the peeps saying that gpl is better blah blah blah, it shows ur talent that they are comparing it to gpl! + i dont think its really -ve feedback
Anyway cant wait for this or the other 80s mod
good luck
Dont worry about the peeps saying that gpl is better blah blah blah, it shows ur talent that they are comparing it to gpl! + i dont think its really -ve feedback
Anyway cant wait for this or the other 80s mod
good luck
fantastic work!!!!!
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as much as i love playing GPL, it wil be nice to play 1967 when i don't have to concentrate every goddamn second to keep on track :P
altho, by the sounds of the physics, i may have to :P
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altho, by the sounds of the physics, i may have to :P
Sim
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