Adrian Sutil given suspended sentence over incident involving Lotus' Eric Lux
Posted by mclarenaustralia
Deserves it. What an idiot.
Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it
Yeah, the first thing that struck me about it was it seemed out of character. Sutil always seemed pretty chilled and laid back, and not the kind of guy you'd expect to act like a complete tit.
I'd say he's gotten off lightly.
I'd say he's gotten off lightly.
Thing is... You don't hit some one without intending to hurt or harm. The very notion of an assault of actual bodily harm without intent is sheer bollocks, though sadly as I know to my disadvantage one all too often used.
If Sutil broke a glass and thrust it as Lux then he intended to hurt him... Maybe he regretted it as soon as he did it, maybe he's genuinely sorry. But in the moment he slashed at lux with a glass in what you assume was in an offensive rather than defensive fashion then he intended harm.
If Sutil broke a glass and thrust it as Lux then he intended to hurt him... Maybe he regretted it as soon as he did it, maybe he's genuinely sorry. But in the moment he slashed at lux with a glass in what you assume was in an offensive rather than defensive fashion then he intended harm.
J i m Wrote:
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> If Sutil broke a glass and thrust it as Lux then
> he intended to hurt him... Maybe he regretted it
> as soon as he did it, maybe he's genuinely sorry.
> But in the moment he slashed at lux with a glass
> in what you assume was in an offensive rather than
> defensive fashion then he intended harm.
I don't think the glass was broken before it hit Lux's neck. Sutil tried to throw the contents of the glass on Lux, but presumably was a little drunk and hit him with the glass instead. He certainly is lucky that the trial took place in Germany not China.
Interesting that he's also called Hamilton a 'coward' for not turning up as a witness or even giving him a message of support.
X (@ed24f1)
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> If Sutil broke a glass and thrust it as Lux then
> he intended to hurt him... Maybe he regretted it
> as soon as he did it, maybe he's genuinely sorry.
> But in the moment he slashed at lux with a glass
> in what you assume was in an offensive rather than
> defensive fashion then he intended harm.
I don't think the glass was broken before it hit Lux's neck. Sutil tried to throw the contents of the glass on Lux, but presumably was a little drunk and hit him with the glass instead. He certainly is lucky that the trial took place in Germany not China.
Interesting that he's also called Hamilton a 'coward' for not turning up as a witness or even giving him a message of support.
X (@ed24f1)
I do not believe that an unbroken glass would have made a 8/9cm cut in someone's neck. It may well have caused bruising but surely not a cut that required stitching.
It's also unlikely the glass would have broken as a result of contact with someone's neck, drunken stoupor or not. If it was broken as a result of Sutil stumbling because of a drunken state then it's far more likely that it was broken against a table or side of the bar, and if that being so it stands to reason that he then used it as a weapon.
It's also unlikely the glass would have broken as a result of contact with someone's neck, drunken stoupor or not. If it was broken as a result of Sutil stumbling because of a drunken state then it's far more likely that it was broken against a table or side of the bar, and if that being so it stands to reason that he then used it as a weapon.
You can understand his point though
Hamilton and Sutil are close friends and it is understandable that Sutil would feel a little betrayed by his non appearance
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Hamilton and Sutil are close friends and it is understandable that Sutil would feel a little betrayed by his non appearance
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Season 9: Constructors' Champions
Diax F1 Wrote:
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> Apparently he also said Hamilton was "less than a
> man". To me, that seems ridiculously petty from
> Sutil. Hamilton was a coward and less than a man
> for putting his professional commitments as an F1
> driver (i.e. his JOB) ahead of a personal matter?
> Bulls***. Personally I think Sutil was looking for
> a scapegoat to blame his guilty verdict on - and
> Hamilton was the perfect person because he'd not
> gone to the trial.
I doubt he had another commitment on, I read it more as Hamilton's management/McLaren probably stopping him from doing it to try and avoid being associated with it. The reaction from McLaren at the launch seems to indicate that as well.
X (@ed24f1)
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> Apparently he also said Hamilton was "less than a
> man". To me, that seems ridiculously petty from
> Sutil. Hamilton was a coward and less than a man
> for putting his professional commitments as an F1
> driver (i.e. his JOB) ahead of a personal matter?
> Bulls***. Personally I think Sutil was looking for
> a scapegoat to blame his guilty verdict on - and
> Hamilton was the perfect person because he'd not
> gone to the trial.
I doubt he had another commitment on, I read it more as Hamilton's management/McLaren probably stopping him from doing it to try and avoid being associated with it. The reaction from McLaren at the launch seems to indicate that as well.
X (@ed24f1)
Two words sum up Sutil's behaviour: Character suicide.
Diax F1 Wrote:
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> Didn't manage to catch the launch (was in work).
> What reaction was there?
When Lewis was asked about it, a team spokesman apparently intervened and said, "We've been told that Lewis shouldn't really go there [talk about the case] because it might go under appeal. So can we move on to the next question."
Hamilton then said, "I'll listen to him".
X (@ed24f1)
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> Didn't manage to catch the launch (was in work).
> What reaction was there?
When Lewis was asked about it, a team spokesman apparently intervened and said, "We've been told that Lewis shouldn't really go there [talk about the case] because it might go under appeal. So can we move on to the next question."
Hamilton then said, "I'll listen to him".
X (@ed24f1)
Interesting...
''Sutil is also understood to be furious after finding out months later that having taken him back to the hotel, Hamilton returned to the nightclub to check out the security video''
[www.thesun.co.uk]
Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it
''Sutil is also understood to be furious after finding out months later that having taken him back to the hotel, Hamilton returned to the nightclub to check out the security video''
[www.thesun.co.uk]
The plot thickens!
It appears that Lux approached Sutil first, 'grabbing his arm'.
Caught on CCTV too.
Very interesting if so, I retract my previous comments.
Wonder how this unfolds - I can see why Sutil feels wrongly done by in this angle.
[formula-one.speedtv.com]
Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/08/2012 03:52PM by danm.
It appears that Lux approached Sutil first, 'grabbing his arm'.
Caught on CCTV too.
Very interesting if so, I retract my previous comments.
Wonder how this unfolds - I can see why Sutil feels wrongly done by in this angle.
[formula-one.speedtv.com]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/08/2012 03:52PM by danm.
danm Wrote:
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> Very interesting if so, I retract my previous
> comments.
Even if his arm was grabbed first, I'd still say he's an idiot for retaliating like that!
X (@ed24f1)
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> Very interesting if so, I retract my previous
> comments.
Even if his arm was grabbed first, I'd still say he's an idiot for retaliating like that!
X (@ed24f1)
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