The 2011 Formula One Season

Frantic Wrote:
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> someone knows if in 2011 FIA will ban double
> diffussers?


i thought they were banning them...

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F-Ducts and double diffusers are banned for 2011.

Also regarding Virgin, they can flash all the CFDness in front of everyone as much as they'd like, as they've said they are sticking with the Xtrac internals to the gearbox with their own casing. That needs to change, even HRT have done their damn best to get hold of the Williams parts to get away from it.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/15/2010 12:10AM by 97kirkc.

97kirkc Wrote:
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> F-Ducts and double diffusers are banned for 2011.
>
> Also regarding Virgin, they can flash all the
> CFDness in front of everyone as much as they'd
> like, as they've said they are sticking with the
> Xtrac internals to the gearbox with their own
> casing. That needs to change, even HRT have done
> their damn best to get hold of the Williams parts
> to get away from it.

To be fair, Virgin were in talks with a few people. But without getting away from Xtra, they'll be firmly at the back anyway. Even if they got Adrian Newey onboard and took pole every race, the parts would fail every time.

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5 champions on the grid next season, when did that happened?

Slash Wrote:
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> 5 champions on the grid next season, when did that
> happened?

If only kimi came back!

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Another thing needs to be changed: Vettel's no. 1, not Alonso.

RBR
1. Vettel
2. Webber

McLaren
3. Hamilton
4. Button

Ferrari
5. Alonso
6. Massa

etc.

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Um dois três quatro cinco seis sete oito nove dez
Eins zwei drei vier fünf sechs sieben acht neun zehn
One two three four five six seven eight nine ten
Один два три четыре пять шесть семь восемь девять десять

DaveEllis Wrote:
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> To be fair, Virgin were in talks with a few
> people. But without getting away from Xtra,
> they'll be firmly at the back anyway. Even if they
> got Adrian Newey onboard and took pole every race,
> the parts would fail every time.

With Adrian Newey and Xtrac together, you're right, the car wouldn't finish half distance once!

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Michael Schumacher will likely race with the number 7, not Rosberg. Schumacher doesn't like even numbers.

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Slash Wrote:
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> 5 champions on the grid next season, when did that
> happened?

My research says the Mexican Grand Prix in 1970 – Jackie Stewart, Jack Brabham, Graham Hill, John Surtees and Denny Hulme.

If Kimi defies the rumours and comes back, that record will be broken. Even if he doesn't, 2011 could be another cracker.

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Now we need Rosberg, Massa, Webber or Kubica to win it next year and we can just keep building up the numbers

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X (@ed24f1)

just received it today...

"The following is an e-mail from the past, composed on January 05, 2010, and sent into the future (now the present) through FutureMe.org.
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Winners of 2010

Bahrain: Lewis Hamilton (McLaren)
Australia: Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull)
Malaysia: Fernando Alonso (Ferrari)
China: Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull)
Spain: Michael Schumacher (Mercedes)
Monaco: Lewis Hamilton (McLaren)
Turkey: Felipe Massa (Ferrari)
Canada: Michael Schumacher (Mercedes)
Europe: Nico Rosberg (Mercedes)
Great Britain: Lewis Hamilton (McLaren)
Germany: Fernando Alonso (Ferrari)
Hungary: Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull)
Belgium: Michael Schumacher (Mercedes)
Italy: Jenson Button (McLaren)
Singapore: Felipe Massa (Ferrari)
Japan: Jenson Button (McLaren)
Korea: Mark Webber (Red Bull)
Brazil: Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull)
Abu Dhabi: Michael Schumacher (Mercedes)"

i think i will do the same next year (not betting on Schumi anymore though)

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97kirkc Wrote:
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> F-Ducts and double diffusers are banned for 2011.
>
> Also regarding Virgin, they can flash all the
> CFDness in front of everyone as much as they'd
> like, as they've said they are sticking with the
> Xtrac internals to the gearbox with their own
> casing. That needs to change, even HRT have done
> their damn best to get hold of the Williams parts
> to get away from it.


Still, I expect them to give Lotus a run again next year on pace. After a year of poor reliability, you'd hope that they can at the very least sort that out for next year. And again, they can have all the CFD power in the world but I still believe their drivers are one of the key let downs whilst the Lotus lineup is probably one of the main reasons why they are 10th in the WCC. Di Grassi has been poor and Glock has not much been a great deal better.

HRT are likley to get Colognes playcar too arent they?

Also, on that point. Surely working in the Cologne base during 2010 must have been the best job ever! Essentially from what I understand, the faciliy has been used as an R&D base for Toyota and various projects, one of the rumours being an LMP car. I suspect some guys would have worked on a 2011 spec F1 car... Seems to me like they were getting paid to let their imagines run wild!

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

After a year of poor reliability, you'd hope that they can at the very least sort that out for next year.

Virgin failures have almost all been Xtrac components. They can't fix what they don't make.

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chet Schreef:
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> HRT are likley to get Colognes playcar too arent
> they?

Nope. Toyota have said that HRT haven't paid their bills (shocking!) and the deal is off.

However, in a statement issued on Monday, Toyota Motorsport announced that the plans had been killed off because payments had not been made.

"Toyota Motorsport GmbH (TMG) confirms that all cooperation with Hispania Racing F1 Team (HRT) has been terminated and will not resume," said the statement.

"TMG retains all intellectual property rights to its current F1 car and is completely free to pursue other projects and support new customers for its high-performance engineering services.

"TMG regrets that HRT has not met its contractual payment obligations and will pursue all available options to reach a satisfactory conclusion to this matter."

That is exactly what HRT did with Dallara. Will Toyota now get the abuse Dallara got? Oh probably not.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/15/2010 08:17PM by DaveEllis.

Ah but im sure Xtrac will undergo and some more development... If there parts are proving unreliable then they are not providing the service Virgin are paying for. Xtrac like any other engineering company will aim to give their customers the most reliable product they can whilst still maintaining a defined level of performance.

Virgin will be paying them, so that money has to go somewhere.

I admit, stayign with Xtrac is probably not the best idea but Virgin do run a limited budget. Branson is being rather stingy IMO. Still, i think 2011 will be a fair judge on the teams performance and whether or not a larger budget is needed.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

There's no way they'll be on par with Lotus. They are 2 different teams going about it in 2 different ways. Lotus are going for it and paying for it, while Virgin are trying to stick to the FIAs original financial limits idea.

It's like trying to compare the mid-90s Jordan to the mid-90s McLaren - sure they may be around each other on the grid every year or 2, but only one team was going to be a long-term success.

Using a Premier League football analogy, it's Blackpool to Everton - Blackpool are refusing to break a self-imposed £10,000 per week wage limit, while Everton (level on points at the moment) aren't the most flush, but they'll have 10-15 players well ahead of that wage. Again you'd expect only 1 team will win out in the long run if they continue those trends, but Blackpool are going about it in a very different way, and in such a refreshing manner.

I think Virgin should be praised for taking a different approach to everyone else, and doing it while enforcing a fairly stingy financial limit - something F1, and top sport in general, doesn't do enough of.

Ah but im sure Xtrac will undergo and some more development... If there parts are proving unreliable then they are not providing the service Virgin are paying for. Xtrac like any other engineering company will aim to give their customers the most reliable product they can whilst still maintaining a defined level of performance.

They've been sh*t for 20 years, what makes you think they are going to turn it around now?

Xtrac are like Dyson, the ALMS team. They in theory have great products, but still can't get the job done. Dyson take working parts (Lola Chassis, customer engines), prepare them poorly and end up having cars which can't finish 2 hour races. They get invited to Le Mans every year by the ACO for being a 'top' ALMS team (because the car count is so low) and then never accept it because it'd result in the car lunching itself before sun down.

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Im not exactly educated enough to agree or disagree about Xtrac, but I would say I find it difficult to believe a company supplying so many racing teams aswell as engineering sectors is crap...

Examples of them being crap would be good :p. To me they seem to have a rather impressive record of success, but as I said i dont know enough about them.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

Examples of them being crap would be good :p

Every hydraulics and gearbox system they've ever supplied to high end racing teams coming back in a million little bits generally says enough :P The amount of times Virgin and Lotus posted on Twitter through the season (including FPs) that they'd had hydraulics issue was just unreal.

They may supply a lot of series and teams, but they certainly don't win much.

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