Official 2017 Russian Grand Prix **SPOILERS with TORPEDOES**
Posted by madotter
Virtual Track Guide:
Thoughts and predictions?
It's a refreshing change to have the top three covered within a tenth of a second... I can't remember too many times it's been a close as that since Jerez 1997.
Kimi should be kicking himself.. He ought to have taken the pole, but then Vettel does find that extra gear when he has the package to do so.
Good effort by Bottas I think that's the first time he's outpaced Hamilton with any degree of convincability... (is that even a word?) but the proving will have to wait until tomorrow.
Red Bull just simply off the pace, this has never been one of their better tracks but even so to be split by Massa's Williams (although a fair result for him) is a poor showing. Hulkenberg and the Findias almost did it too.
Bit of a bad day for Grosjean.. He seemed to spend more time whinging than driving but it's proof that F1 only has strong teams now. Gone are the days of the minardis. You can't have bad days like that without ending up slowest.
Young Stroll is proving to be a bit disappointing too. He's lacking both pace and consistency. He's kind of fortunate that McLaren are in the state that they are and also that Palmer is being a clusterfuck of fail too otherwise he'd be even further back.
Kimi should be kicking himself.. He ought to have taken the pole, but then Vettel does find that extra gear when he has the package to do so.
Good effort by Bottas I think that's the first time he's outpaced Hamilton with any degree of convincability... (is that even a word?) but the proving will have to wait until tomorrow.
Red Bull just simply off the pace, this has never been one of their better tracks but even so to be split by Massa's Williams (although a fair result for him) is a poor showing. Hulkenberg and the Findias almost did it too.
Bit of a bad day for Grosjean.. He seemed to spend more time whinging than driving but it's proof that F1 only has strong teams now. Gone are the days of the minardis. You can't have bad days like that without ending up slowest.
Young Stroll is proving to be a bit disappointing too. He's lacking both pace and consistency. He's kind of fortunate that McLaren are in the state that they are and also that Palmer is being a clusterfuck of fail too otherwise he'd be even further back.
good for Bottas, he´s already showing he´s up to the task
regarding the race itself... the best on it was kimi´s radio
regarding the race itself... the best on it was kimi´s radio
I'd prefer if we kept politics to a minimum here really.
Ooohkay the race was on the boring side, No overtakes! But sometimes we need the boring races so we appreciate the brilliant races all the more. I actually quite like this circuit. I think the no overtaking result was more down to a combination of the cars inherit difficulty to follow and the fact that the cars lined up largely in order of ultimate race pace... Hence they all spread out.
I'm pleasantly surprised at the role reversal at Mercedes since Bahrain. I sense Bottas needed that boost to his confidence and now Mercedes knows that it has two drivers again who can win.
Ooohkay the race was on the boring side, No overtakes! But sometimes we need the boring races so we appreciate the brilliant races all the more. I actually quite like this circuit. I think the no overtaking result was more down to a combination of the cars inherit difficulty to follow and the fact that the cars lined up largely in order of ultimate race pace... Hence they all spread out.
I'm pleasantly surprised at the role reversal at Mercedes since Bahrain. I sense Bottas needed that boost to his confidence and now Mercedes knows that it has two drivers again who can win.
There was definitely an element of intrigue watching Ferrari elect to enlongate Vettels first stint in an effort to out strategise Mercedes and Bottas.. and in absense of close wheel to wheel action seeing Vettel persue Bottas did retain some tension. And I did enjoy it for that.
You're right... Overtaking isn't the be all and end all of racing. Some years ago at Imola, Alonso and Schumacher had two epic duels without making a single overtaking manoeuvre.
You're right... Overtaking isn't the be all and end all of racing. Some years ago at Imola, Alonso and Schumacher had two epic duels without making a single overtaking manoeuvre.
robracer Wrote:
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> ... F1 is not about how much overtaking
> there is and it never has been...
You're maybe too young to have known that but there actually were overtaking in the past. Mainly pre 80s ok.
If memory doesn't fail me you should watch on YouTube Monza '71, the closest finish ever. Try to watch the whole race obviously.
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> ... F1 is not about how much overtaking
> there is and it never has been...
You're maybe too young to have known that but there actually were overtaking in the past. Mainly pre 80s ok.
If memory doesn't fail me you should watch on YouTube Monza '71, the closest finish ever. Try to watch the whole race obviously.
That's your point. If you prefer see boring races just because they are new go for it.
On the other side you can watch what has made history :
Hint : this is not the start, check the flag.
I can't say which lap it was, the order changed almost every lap.
If I'm not mistaken, the winner is the one in the backward, far far away.
On the other side you can watch what has made history :
Hint : this is not the start, check the flag.
I can't say which lap it was, the order changed almost every lap.
If I'm not mistaken, the winner is the one in the backward, far far away.
But thats only one side of the story. The action was there in monza because they were packed together, not just because all the overtaking. Also, That was the old Monza without the chicanes, making the track a big factor. Also all of the cars (except the BRM i think) had the same engine.
And its not like every race in 1971 was like that. Usually Jackie Stewart would go and take the lead and dissapear into the distance...
Monza 71 was an exception. Just like Dijon 79, or Jarama 81.
In fact in Jarama there was like 6 cars overtaking themselves but nobody could overtake the leader, who was Villeneuve, and that was the reason the race was so epic. The Ferrari was much slower than the other cars.
Monaco 92 is another example that cames to my mind. Its not all about overtaking.
What im trying to say is that nobody can´t expect a thriller every race... That said, of course nobody likes one team being 40sec faster in all races.
And its not like every race in 1971 was like that. Usually Jackie Stewart would go and take the lead and dissapear into the distance...
Monza 71 was an exception. Just like Dijon 79, or Jarama 81.
In fact in Jarama there was like 6 cars overtaking themselves but nobody could overtake the leader, who was Villeneuve, and that was the reason the race was so epic. The Ferrari was much slower than the other cars.
Monaco 92 is another example that cames to my mind. Its not all about overtaking.
What im trying to say is that nobody can´t expect a thriller every race... That said, of course nobody likes one team being 40sec faster in all races.
I agree with you. This race was 'special' and the slipstream was a big factor on this track. But there were more races with that flavour (and more diversity in the winners) in that era than nowadays. Which is my point in the argument. And far less boring races too.
Side Note 1 : on the engine side there was also Ferrari and Matra
Side Note 2 : Stewart flying around everyone was more in '73 than '71 and '72
Side Note 1 : on the engine side there was also Ferrari and Matra
Side Note 2 : Stewart flying around everyone was more in '73 than '71 and '72
I have been living amongst you feeble mortals for almost 50 years now. I have been following F1 since the 70s. I have witnessed lots of ups and downs since then. Robracer makes a valid point, "don't look back". I would even say, "don't glorify a past you haven't even witnessed yourself". Let me tell you, back in the 70s we didn't have internet forums, of course, but talking with real fans they complained about the same things - track design, car design and and and ... same old song and dance.
My suggestion is that if you don't like current tracks or cars, just don't watch it.
REHAB IS FOR QUITTERS
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/06/2017 01:09AM by Vader.
My suggestion is that if you don't like current tracks or cars, just don't watch it.
REHAB IS FOR QUITTERS
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/06/2017 01:09AM by Vader.
Vader écrivait:
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> My suggestion is that if you don't like current
> tracks or cars, just don't watch it.
What I do
The first F1 race I saw was Monaco '70. I can remember it because of Brabham crashing in the last turn. The second one was Germany that same year at Hockenheim, with Rindt and Ickx swapping places every laps.
My point was to put in perspective current races with old races and that overtaking IS part of the race. Even in F1.
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> My suggestion is that if you don't like current
> tracks or cars, just don't watch it.
What I do
The first F1 race I saw was Monaco '70. I can remember it because of Brabham crashing in the last turn. The second one was Germany that same year at Hockenheim, with Rindt and Ickx swapping places every laps.
My point was to put in perspective current races with old races and that overtaking IS part of the race. Even in F1.
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