The Official 2016 Formula One Season
Posted by madotter
I don't see why this is being introduced in F1 first, particularly with such an ugly design, when fan interest is already waning. I think it would be much more suitable for IndyCars, particularly on the ovals, with higher speeds and often more flying debris due to the nature of the circuits. Apart from that, could a trial be used in GP2 or GP3 before F1? With some of the driving standards in that series, it's probably going to have more chance of saving someone. Either way, there is no occasion in the past 30 years of F1 that this would have saved someone, so I don't see why there is a need to rush this in before a proper canopy is added (if anything is to be done at all) - it seems half-hearted. This is still not going to stop small debris such as springs or even shredded tyres a la Silverstone 2013. Visibility might be okay in the most parts, but uphill sections such as Eau Rouge or Turn 1 Austin could be a challenge.
gav Wrote:
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> It wouldn't have saved Bianchi and it probably
> wouldn't have helped Massa, but it almost
> certainly would have prevented the deaths of Henry
> Surtees and Ayrton Senna (and perhaps Justin
> Wilson).
Would it have saved Senna from the piercing from the suspension though?
X (@ed24f1)
gav Wrote:
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> It wouldn't have saved Bianchi and it probably
> wouldn't have helped Massa, but it almost
> certainly would have prevented the deaths of Henry
> Surtees and Ayrton Senna (and perhaps Justin
> Wilson).
Would it have saved Senna from the piercing from the suspension though?
X (@ed24f1)
in first place its incredible how in the last 25 years motorsport in general reduced the risks at a minimun on most cases. but as said above you simply cant make the risk a 0%. You could aim to a zero risk but only as a philosophy of reducing as much as possible. if this device can save lives and its proved reliable in all situations (ex. when the driver cant get out the car by his own and that sort of things) im ok with it
the only thing that concerns me is that i see as a possible, something hitting the halo and subsequently changing its trayectory making it hit the driver. Freak, but possible... I guess they´ve made sims with it and have statistics proof that it would make things better in most cases... I say, awhat are the odds of that happening? but again what are the odds of accidents like massa´s of jules´accidents?
anyway, it is still in an early test stage. Dont know if said before but Red Bull is looking to test their own head protection proposal in some days. could be more aesthetically pleasing that the mercedes one
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/03/2016 07:52PM by Frantic.
the only thing that concerns me is that i see as a possible, something hitting the halo and subsequently changing its trayectory making it hit the driver. Freak, but possible... I guess they´ve made sims with it and have statistics proof that it would make things better in most cases... I say, awhat are the odds of that happening? but again what are the odds of accidents like massa´s of jules´accidents?
anyway, it is still in an early test stage. Dont know if said before but Red Bull is looking to test their own head protection proposal in some days. could be more aesthetically pleasing that the mercedes one
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/03/2016 07:52PM by Frantic.
It doesn't look quite a ugly as I feared but still dammed ugly all the same.
There's not really a justifiable excuse not to persue its development though and we get used to weird looking cars eventually anyway.
I'm not convinced that in isolation it would have done much to save Senna though as pointed out it was the suspension which struck his head. The changes made in the mid 90s already went a long way to reducing the risk of Senna type fatailty with raised cockpit sides and padding and carbon fibre suspension which would shatter instead of piecing the chassis, and then later on ofcourse wheel tethers.
Personally aesthetically I'd prefer a closed canopy solution. Sure I hear the concerns about debris deflection etc but answer this. Why is that not an issue in touring cars, prototypes and 'tin tops' in general?
There's not really a justifiable excuse not to persue its development though and we get used to weird looking cars eventually anyway.
I'm not convinced that in isolation it would have done much to save Senna though as pointed out it was the suspension which struck his head. The changes made in the mid 90s already went a long way to reducing the risk of Senna type fatailty with raised cockpit sides and padding and carbon fibre suspension which would shatter instead of piecing the chassis, and then later on ofcourse wheel tethers.
Personally aesthetically I'd prefer a closed canopy solution. Sure I hear the concerns about debris deflection etc but answer this. Why is that not an issue in touring cars, prototypes and 'tin tops' in general?
So that's it, eight days of testing over and a field full of close evolutions looks set to see the status quo largerly kept.
A generic feel of the form and order:
Group 1:
Mercedes - enough said
Group 2:
Ferrari - ought to be Mercedes greatest challenger having won what Ron Dennis would coin the 'winter world championships'
Williams - emerged from typically pragmatic no frills start to testing with encouraging signs that they could be a far greater threat to Ferrari than last year
Red Bull - never ever write them off
Group 3:
Force India - looking good, ought to produce the odd giant killing result
Toro Rosso - should start well with a good little chassis but might fall behind as other power units leave the 2015 spec behind
McLaren Honda - definite improvements but still down on power
Renault - suitably low expectations
Sauber - much the same as last year, will have some good days but will be out developed by the others
Group 4:
Hass - definitely better prepared than the last generation of new teams could spring the odd surprise but won't be up to the midfield consistently
Manor - big expectations but will be vying with Hass for tailend honours.
A generic feel of the form and order:
Group 1:
Mercedes - enough said
Group 2:
Ferrari - ought to be Mercedes greatest challenger having won what Ron Dennis would coin the 'winter world championships'
Williams - emerged from typically pragmatic no frills start to testing with encouraging signs that they could be a far greater threat to Ferrari than last year
Red Bull - never ever write them off
Group 3:
Force India - looking good, ought to produce the odd giant killing result
Toro Rosso - should start well with a good little chassis but might fall behind as other power units leave the 2015 spec behind
McLaren Honda - definite improvements but still down on power
Renault - suitably low expectations
Sauber - much the same as last year, will have some good days but will be out developed by the others
Group 4:
Hass - definitely better prepared than the last generation of new teams could spring the odd surprise but won't be up to the midfield consistently
Manor - big expectations but will be vying with Hass for tailend honours.
I think Renault and Haas could form group 4 with Manor making a group 5. The Renault car will have lost a years development and they've got a worse engine, while Haas have been OK pace wise but have been very poor reliability wise this week.
Despite the whole 'let's not read much into testing times' argument, I agree that Mercedes are way ahead. They've not even used the super softs or ultra softs in pre-season and it could quite frankly be scary when they bolt them on in Melbourne.
I think most of us thought that Ferrari would make a decent step forward this year, but on face value they've not shown the pace I expected and Mercedes must have done a third more laps than them. If anything the gap has grown.
I'm not sure how well F1 will cope with another season of Mercedes domination given how depressing the previous few seasons have been and the very frank criticism from its top drivers in the past few days. It's not going to be a fun year.
Despite the whole 'let's not read much into testing times' argument, I agree that Mercedes are way ahead. They've not even used the super softs or ultra softs in pre-season and it could quite frankly be scary when they bolt them on in Melbourne.
I think most of us thought that Ferrari would make a decent step forward this year, but on face value they've not shown the pace I expected and Mercedes must have done a third more laps than them. If anything the gap has grown.
I'm not sure how well F1 will cope with another season of Mercedes domination given how depressing the previous few seasons have been and the very frank criticism from its top drivers in the past few days. It's not going to be a fun year.
apparently this would be renault´s racing livery, as it seems on twitter. i hope to be wrong, honestly
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/15/2016 05:52PM by Frantic.
Looks like a 2002 Jordan. It just needs a DHL logo on the side now.
Too many teams have similar liveries, Renault having a different livery to the other teams is good 
Certainly will stand out but shame they didn't make any attempt to integrate the black and yellow (like 2010) rather than having so much solid colour (in both versions).
X (@ed24f1)
X (@ed24f1)
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Kimi, so, Massa Fernando Sebastian is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?
Looks nice. Yellow & Black are Renault's trade colors anyway so it makes sense.
this qualy system sucks, big time.
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