2014 Australian Grand Prix ****Spoilers****

IWE schrieb:
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> DQ
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> [www.news.com.au]
> fied-after-rosberg-beats-him-into-finish-at-austra
> lian-grand-prix/story-e6frfkp9-1226856246906

Not yet, from looking at the link you posted it seems they changed the headline

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used to be GPGSL's Nick Heidfeld

Theres that.. and of course he finished the race... so the flow rate couldn't have been that desperately over the top.

Confirmation: Ricciardo HAS been disqualified.

[www.bbc.co.uk]

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Anyone care to explain to me how the max. 100kg/h-fuel-flow can be "exceded consistently" when the race is more than one and a half hours long and the teams have 100kg fuel to use during the race? Seems like I'm missing something big here, cause by exceeding the limit consistently you'd have no fuel after one hour...?

Was a neat race, when the safety car came out I thought "is it McLaren 1998 or McLaren 1999 for Rosberg?" Cause the restart 1999 wasn't a comfortable one for McLaren, was funny to watch though.

GO NICO!!!
I'm very happy with this one Just what F1 needed too. The reliability and lack of incidents in the race was amazingly good, none of the chaos I expected. Well done to the teams in general for that.

Awesome drives by Magnussen and Kvyat. I think the rookies have benefited from the unusually level playing field created by the massive reg changes, but still, these were epic performances.

I get the impression that we still haven't seen the new cars pushed to the limit though, if only because of the extra formation lap and the SC taking the edge off the normal demands of a race distance. Malaysia(As long as it's dry and there's no SC) will be a much better test.


Laton Wrote:
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> LOL @ Button's dick falling off.

+1 to that. Hehehehehe. :D

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J i m Wrote:
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> I do think the TV technicians need to tweak the
> sound feed. I know the engines are quieter.. but
> we can barley hear them on the coverage, just a
> little tweak to increase the ambient feed volume
> over the commentary feed could work wonders.

I think this is a problem with the British production. On the danish coverage, the engine noise is as loud as ever.

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It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/16/2014 02:41PM by Morbid.

In some ways I've been suspecting that SkY and maybe BBC too have been deliberately muting the ambient feed. Because whenever I've found an ambient only video clip, the sounds been really really good. It's just the feed with the commentary feed over it which sounds pants.

xSilvermanx Wrote:
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> Anyone care to explain to me how the max.
> 100kg/h-fuel-flow can be "exceded consistently"
> when the race is more than one and a half hours
> long and the teams have 100kg fuel to use during
> the race? Seems like I'm missing something big
> here, cause by exceeding the limit consistently
> you'd have no fuel after one hour...?
>
> Was a neat race, when the safety car came out I
> thought "is it McLaren 1998 or McLaren 1999 for
> Rosberg?" Cause the restart 1999 wasn't a
> comfortable one for McLaren, was funny to watch
> though.

Who sayed they drive with 100kg fuel on board? On few sites im reading this kinda questions now. This is not the what they take on board. This is fuel flow how much it can go. Fuel flow is limited once they go over 10.500rpm to 100 kg/h wich simple mean if the car would driver at or over 10.500 for an hour it can use only 100kg of fuel. They can have 200kg fuel onboard if they want actually.

Sounds like GP2 for me

Slash Wrote:
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> Sounds like GP2 for me

This is exactly what I've started to think. They remind me of NASCAR too when the power is being put down.

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8.4.1 To assist scrutineering, the FIA requires unlimited access to the following ECU information
before, during and after any track session :
a) Application parameter configurations.
b) Logged data and events.
c) Real-time telemetry data and events.
Throughout the Event, the logging memory and events buffer may only be cleared by an FIA
engineer.
The FIA must have the ability to connect to the ECU via a jump battery using an FIA laptop. The
teams should make a jump battery available at all times during the Event.
The teams should transfer the real-time telemetry data and events on the FIA network as
requested by, and in the format defined by, the FIA.
Prior to the race, the ECU data logger must be configured in such a way that allows logging of
data for at least two hours and fifteen minutes without exceeding the size of the logger
memory.


so if i understand this correctly,there not aloud to touch the car in park ferme because all the cars are checked after qualifying via there ecu etc.how can a car drink more fuel over 24hrs when it hasn't been tampered with and only been checked by the fia...second thing if it was drinking more fuel today and yesterday why wasn't the driver disqualified for breach of fueling in qualifying...

alless84 schrieb:
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> xSilvermanx Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > Anyone care to explain to me how the max.
> > 100kg/h-fuel-flow can be "exceded consistently"
> > when the race is more than one and a half hours
> > long and the teams have 100kg fuel to use
> during
> > the race? Seems like I'm missing something big
> > here, cause by exceeding the limit consistently
> > you'd have no fuel after one hour...?
> >
> > Was a neat race, when the safety car came out I
> > thought "is it McLaren 1998 or McLaren 1999 for
> > Rosberg?" Cause the restart 1999 wasn't a
> > comfortable one for McLaren, was funny to watch
> > though.
>
> Who sayed they drive with 100kg fuel on board? On
> few sites im reading this kinda questions now.
> This is not the what they take on board. This is
> fuel flow how much it can go. Fuel flow is limited
> once they go over 10.500rpm to 100 kg/h wich
> simple mean if the car would driver at or over
> 10.500 for an hour it can use only 100kg of fuel.
> They can have 200kg fuel onboard if they want
> actually.

That would be the rules, they may have 200kg fuel onboard at all times, however they may only use 100kg during the race (from start to finish).
Didn't describe it properly enough obviously. "You'd have no fuel after an hour" means you already used that 100kg max fuel that is allowed to be consumed.
Just searched the rules for it, Sporting Regulations 29.5: "No car is permitted to consume more than 100kg of fuel, from the time at which the signal to start the race is given to the time each car crosses the Line after the end-of-race signal has been given. Other than in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the stewards of the meeting), any driver exceeding this limit will be excluded from the race results."
But what you've written makes things clearer, haven't heard of the 10.500rpm-mark, below would be less fuel-flow permitted. Still I think 10.500 rpm is used quite frequently, so exceeding 100 kg/h would mean exceeding the fuel-limit as well. Seeing that the F1-teams generally try to be at the limit the fuel-limit should not be too far under the fuel actually filled into the car.

thehornet Wrote:
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> so if i understand this correctly,there not aloud
> to touch the car in park ferme because all the
> cars are checked after qualifying via there ecu
> etc.how can a car drink more fuel over 24hrs when
> it hasn't been tampered with and only been checked
> by the fia...second thing if it was drinking more
> fuel today and yesterday why wasn't the driver
> disqualified for breach of fueling in
> qualifying...

They can adjust the fuel flow externally, along with various other engine parameters.

It's a fair penalty. Red Bull exceed the letter of the law, and are rightfully punished.

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EC83 Wrote:
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> Slash Wrote:
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> > Sounds like GP2 for me
>
> This is exactly what I've started to think. They
> remind me of NASCAR too when the power is being
> put down.


yep that too, i told my dad, it sounds like a low powered Nascar..

i guess it'll take time to get used to it, but the front wings on some cars is not a problem for me, the only thing that bothers me is that these cars are turning less agressive as years pass by, i remember in 2004 (best F1 cars for me), when people used to say the cars from the 80's were better or the early 90's.... well i guess i'm now one of those "the cars from the early 00's were better" type of guy.

Think I was lucky to start watching F1 when I did, in 1989. For me nothing before or since has quite matched the sound of the cars that year.

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/16/2014 10:11PM by EC83.

Australian GP says sound breached contract

[www.gpupdate.net]


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What's the verdict regarding Red Bull's appeal against Ricciardo's disqualification? Don't think I've heard anything about it yet.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/18/2014 04:22AM by Mullet345.

No date has been set for the hearing yet.

Sorry for posting a german vid but the finish of Hockenheim 1999 reminded me of that sound discussion. Already set the time to where you can hear Jacques Schulz commentating (even if you don't understand him), hear the crowd cheer and where exactly is the sound of the Ferrari V10? I know it's only the finish and during the race the V10s are way louder still posting this

Hockenheim 1999 (fast forward to 16m16s, the forum won't let me post that exact link)


&t=16m16s

for comparison Melbourne 2014 Ricciardo finish (fast forward to 5m26s)
[www.youtube.com]

EDIT: Why would the link of Melbourne 2014 work without problems, the upper one not? If a mod knows the solution, could you edit my post, otherwise post what's wrong with the post?



Edited 7 time(s). Last edit at 03/18/2014 10:47AM by xSilvermanx.

Am I the only person who thinks it's strange to watch motorracing for the sound of the engine??

Why are so many people complaining about the sound of the new V6Ts? They sound amazing. There's a gutteral, gravelly undertone with a crazy, whining high pitched turbo over the top. It's the best noise ever. Ridiculous.