Audi's nightmare

Well it is quite a worry... Audi had a good few years experience with the R8C (??) and R8R before the R8 we saw dominate and now the R10.

The Peugeot did extremley well imo, considering its lack of race experience. Besides, this year was never meant to be an assult for the win. As has been said, it was a 2 year plan, with next year being the big one.

Audi should be worried. What exactly happened with the retired Audis though? I know one was a crash, not usre about the other one though...

But oooh, btw what do people think about the possible Aston LMP assult??????

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The other leading audi (#2? with Kristensen) crashed due to wheel problems i thought, a rear wheel got loose (correct if i am wrong).

The winning Audi wasn't without problems either, they had some technical problems, and a fragment of concrete was blocking their air inlet, so the engine was slowly overheating. (Detail, that fragment was possible from Rockefeller's Audi #3 crash, which was a driver's error )

So Audi had enough chances to win, with their cars in first three positions, but indeed they had too many problems, so there was something to worry about.

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On the #2 they dropped the car in the pits before the rear right wheel was properly on which might've done some damage. That wheel came off an hour later although I think Audi claimed it was unrelated to the pit mistake.

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Lol.
I was wondering, why is it the LMP2's struggle to finish?

Is it because they have smaller engines, so running top speed for longer periods is a strain on them ??

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> what i have against diesels (but only in racing)
> is that they have to be built to massive
> proportions (capacity and number of cylinders) or
> have to have turbo charging usually to beat an
> equivalent normally aspirated car. there has to be
> equivalence set between petrol and diesel
>
>
>
> These new diesels in lemans fascinate my racing
> mind, and also remind me of a time in australias
> motoracing history, if you let me remenise:
>
> let me start by talking about road cars on road
> cars.. im very impressed with how diesel
> technology has progress over the last 20 years,
> but the use of turbo charging... does that hold
> technology back?
> in petrol engines it has, look at all the jap
> turbo cars, impreza, lancer, skyline... people who
> buy these cars are buying late 80a engine designs.
> even with their dohc etc, their are many simple NA
> engines, pushrod designes with greater efficiency,
> power and very free reving.
>
> to me something interesting is how a nissan
> skyline turbo racing engine reaches, what 9000rpm?
> and a big nascar v8 pushrod on carbies can do the
> same. whats the greater engineering feat? the v8
> of cause, because it has more limitations. imagine
> the performance of a nascar engine with dohc and
> all fancy stuff.
> in racing trim when both engines are about 800hp,
> which uses more fuel? i dont know... but i think
> Its interesting iv spoken to people with subaru
> wrx. only 2litre motor, but uses as much petrol as
> a 5 litre v8. in my experience iv owned a large
> capacity 6 cylinded, and a high performance 4
> cylider turbo. performance was similar, fuel
> economy similar, but the engine lasted longer on
> the 6.
>
> australias touring car series in the late 89s,
> early 90s:
> there were two types of cars. pushrod v8s, and
> turbo skylines. the turbo skylines car had an
> unfair advantage, they had turbos! (skyline fans
> will complain, but they should use their brains,
> turbos are a HUGE advantage for the internal
> combusion engine. whereas the simple v8s didnt use
> forced induction) deservedly the nissans were
> kicked out of the series, a racing series should
> be on equal terms, i bet the skylines wouldve lost
> by 5 laps if they werent turbo charged. the
> engineering of the v8s was incredible for what
> they had to play with. f1 has proved what can be
> done with engineering performance out of a design
> limitations, the 2.4l v8s or todays 600kg cars are
> a hell of a lot faster then a 3.5l v12 of a 500kg
> f1 car of early 90s, or a 1.5l turbo of a 500kg
> car of the 80s.
>
>
> so in summary my only compaint of the diesels in
> lemans, is that they should be equivalent to the
> petrol engines of the series. creating

the skylines in the Australian tourning car championship were increadible cars, and i believe would have done exactly the same without turbo's. they had more technology built into them, plus the 4wd system. nothing was going to beat them.

Also chevy havent changed the block in there nascar program since like 1960 iirc





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/19/2007 07:21PM by NeilPearson.

Care to quote anymore of the thread? :P

On the #2 they dropped the car in the pits before the rear right wheel was properly on which might've done some damage.

Wasnt that. The wheels were NOT changed at the pit stop immediatly before the failure according to the Audi press releases and radio on the day, so the wheels had been attached for 17 laps before the accident. It was just "one of those things"

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/20/2007 09:00PM by DaveEllis.

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> Care to quote anymore of the thread? :P


if it wasnt 3am, and i could be botherd id go quote everyone

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> Wasnt that. The wheels were NOT changed at the pit
> stop immediatly before the failure according to
> the Audi press releases and radio on the day, so
> the wheels had been attached for 17 laps before
> the accident. It was just "one of those things"

I've not watched much, but from the clips I've seen, they certainly took the wheel off at the stop - whether it was the same one which went back on or not I never thought to check. You wouldn't have expected it to have lasted all the way to Indianapolis without Dindo feeling a problem though, so maybe it was something unrelated..

I've not watched much, but from the clips I've seen, they certainly took the wheel off at the stop - whether it was the same one which went back on or not I never thought to check. You wouldn't have expected it to have lasted all the way to Indianapolis without Dindo feeling a problem though, so maybe it was something unrelated..

That was motorsTV crap editing. They fitted new tyres 2 stops before, brand new slicks. They dropped the car down too early on the right rear, lifted it up again and then got the tyre on and sent it out. According to Dindo, they didnt take tyres on the next stop (which makes sense, tyre wear is low, you dont take a new set every stop) and on the second lap after the stop the RR came off at Indyianapolis. So it done 17 laps on that tyre, and even if they did change it at the stop before (which Audi are 100% sure they didnt) it still lasted around 10 miles before coming off, which to me doesnt sound right.

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But oooh, btw what do people think about the possible Aston LMP assult??????

Because of the new LMPE regulations in 2010 it will make it much easier for Aston Martin to make a full on assault. Corvette are aiming for it too.

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Because of the new LMPE regulations in 2010 it will make it much easier for Aston Martin to make a full on assault. Corvette are aiming for it too.

Oh, forgot about that... what are they exactly? Only thing i got a rough about is that there will be no open cocpit cars anymore

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LMPE Is LMP Evolution apparently. The cars will look like the 1998 FIA GT cars, in that they are over grown road cars -




These will replace the LMP1 class. The current LMP2 cars will be fitted with restrictors and ran in LMP2 (so there will still be open top stuff).

The mock up the ACO did of LMPE was basicly a big brutal looking Corvette C6R. I'll try and find the photo.

Edit, here it is



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/22/2007 01:54PM by DaveEllis.

That looks goood !!
But the normal covette still looks better...

So would the 908 and Bentleys pass of as LMPE's then ?

And I think ive seen a drawing of last years creation zytek chassis with a roof, looked good :D

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chet Wrote:
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> That looks goood !!
> But the normal covette still looks better...
>
> So would the 908 and Bentleys pass of as LMPE's
> then ?
>
> And I think ive seen a drawing of last years
> creation zytek chassis with a roof, looked good :D

nope, they wont be allowed the "F1 style" noses

Sim

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Ohh.
Will be interesting to see what these cars will look like then?

Will these rule changes make the sport better in peoples opinion? I cant really say because its only been recently, well the last 2 years or so ive been watching races.

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