Round 7 - Montrunreal Obligatory track map I spent weeks plotting in a combination of 3DS Max and MS Paint. [img]http://www.thisisgav.co.uk/random/images/montrunreal.png[/img]https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057640#msg-1057640Fri, 09 Oct 2026 12:28:57 +0200 Phorum 5.3-dev https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057957#msg-1057957 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057957#msg-1057957 marcl F1Fri, 13 Jun 2014 09:59:52 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057930#msg-1057930 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057930#msg-1057930 gav F1Thu, 12 Jun 2014 20:06:08 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057928#msg-1057928 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057928#msg-1057928
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Some of you may even have witnessed Gilles fist-hand, so would be great to hear your thoughts. Not my usual forte something like this.]]> Ferrari2007 F1Thu, 12 Jun 2014 19:26:28 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057922#msg-1057922 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057922#msg-1057922(I actually had my head in my hands as I watched it unfold).

If we're honest (and if Massa could be totally honest..) then I think he could have been a bit more savvy. For starters he messed up his exit from the last corner because he got a wheel-spin tankslapper on, with a slightly better controlled exit he'd have been even closer to Perez and knowing Perez's reputation for being a bit frisky in braking zones then he could have been a bit more circumspect by how much he'd have cleared him by. But I love that he was actually giving it a go even if his overtaking craft is currently rusty.

I don't for a moment think Perez did anything deliberate, and I don't feel he was 100% at fault. But he did move across in the braking zone and as I said he has a reputation for being frisky like that in wheel to wheel dices, which again I love. But the stewards were correct in applying the penalty or in the least a reprimand because he's always tethering on the edge of recklessness and it was about time he was taken aside and told "hey chap, we love you, but carry on driving like that and you're going to hurt someone".

Afterall, it's possible to race wheel to wheel without driving like a lunatic.

Ultimately we ought to be relieved that one one was hurt, including the marshals whose response it has to be said was lightning quick, too quick really as they put themselves in danger by sprinting to the cars almost before they'd even come to a standstill.

My verdict, racing accident but with lessons to be learnt by all parties.]]> J i m F1Thu, 12 Jun 2014 18:57:24 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057906#msg-1057906 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057906#msg-1057906
Of corse his wheel turned right it had to as there is a right corner, had he carried on straight he would have gone off!

Perex jinked to the left simple.]]> marcl F1Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:35:04 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057878#msg-1057878 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057878#msg-1057878
]]> gav F1Wed, 11 Jun 2014 21:14:19 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057877#msg-1057877 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057877#msg-1057877
i think massa left his race in the hands of the other driver and that was his "fault". the accident himself was all about the wreckless perez. although, i can understand how frustrated he must have been victory was all his, and at the end he was dropping back to fifth. this of course does not excuse his fault, just makes it more understandable]]> mitadumapaga F1Wed, 11 Jun 2014 21:00:33 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057873#msg-1057873 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057873#msg-1057873-------------------------------------------------------
> Im not fan of Massa & Perez, but damn. (No offense
> to massa fans) but it doesn't mean you are more
> experienced and the other is just starting out
> doesn't mean you're much more superior than him..
> I find him very egoistic. Sure, Perez turn to left
> a little bit .. but he was ahead of him, plus
> massa made his last decision to make sudden
> changes in his racing line.. swerving to right.


Sorry, did you even bother to open up the link PHANTAMAN provided?

"turn to the left a little bit", no, he completely switched a car length and "a little bit" more to the left.

Massa did what any other driver would've done, moved to the inside at the last minute in the braking area, why?, because is forbidden to switch under braking area (that's precisely why Perez was penalised btw) that way he's guaranteeing Perez will remain in his line and he can pull his overtake.
Perez is no rookie, he's been long enough in the series by now, but he still makes this silly mistakes like a rookie, there's a pattern so most ikely he will do it again.]]> Slash F1Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:50:21 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057859#msg-1057859 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057859#msg-1057859 TFIOS F1Wed, 11 Jun 2014 17:24:52 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057807#msg-1057807 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057807#msg-1057807 thestig88 F1Tue, 10 Jun 2014 19:13:15 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057802#msg-1057802 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057802#msg-1057802 phantaman F1Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:39:41 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057801#msg-1057801 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057801#msg-1057801 gav F1Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:38:30 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057800#msg-1057800 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057800#msg-1057800 phantaman F1Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:10:23 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057792#msg-1057792 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057792#msg-1057792 SupraRacing55 F1Tue, 10 Jun 2014 10:11:29 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057791#msg-1057791 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057791#msg-1057791 danm F1Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:41:44 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057783#msg-1057783 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057783#msg-1057783
]]> phantaman F1Tue, 10 Jun 2014 04:16:52 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057779#msg-1057779 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057779#msg-1057779

The Mexican said he was following the same line as in previous laps and "just got hit from behind".
He added: "I watched several replays of the incident and I can't help but notice how Felipe turns right just before he hits me.
"I can only think he must have changed his mind and wanted to rejoin the racing line. His misjudgement cost us a big amount of points."


especiallly after fia and the paddock found perez was to blame]]> mitadumapaga F1Tue, 10 Jun 2014 00:03:47 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057752#msg-1057752 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057752#msg-1057752
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this is what happens find that mirrors are a simple aesthetic adornment (garnish) ... I know that mirrors are sometimes imagined and designed as aerodynamic aids

To be fair Vettel saw that Massa was about to torpedo him and did a great job of getting out of the way, so they do work sometimes.]]> gav F1Mon, 09 Jun 2014 15:48:26 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057751#msg-1057751 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057751#msg-1057751
is not the 1st time he (perez) makes these stupid things (change the trajectory and brake test). by attitudes like this that Mclaren fired him



]]> phantaman F1Mon, 09 Jun 2014 15:19:46 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057747#msg-1057747 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057747#msg-1057747 marcl F1Mon, 09 Jun 2014 12:20:41 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057745#msg-1057745 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057745#msg-1057745 mitadumapaga F1Mon, 09 Jun 2014 11:42:01 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057744#msg-1057744 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057744#msg-1057744 SupraRacing55 F1Mon, 09 Jun 2014 11:30:23 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057742#msg-1057742 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057742#msg-1057742
In the interview after the race they said it was in a few corners of each other but Lewis lost power first then Nico. It was the Paddy interview and this was confirmed later as well.

Number of stories going round that Kimi is about to be dropped.]]> marcl F1Mon, 09 Jun 2014 10:25:19 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057741#msg-1057741 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057741#msg-1057741
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Merc have said it was lewis that started having the problem first, his started at the hairpin and Nico the 1st corner on the next lap.

The KERS or the brakes? Clearly his brakes went at the hairpin, but I don't know about the KERS.]]> gav F1Mon, 09 Jun 2014 10:10:11 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057740#msg-1057740 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057740#msg-1057740
Massa couldn't have made it to the end - their traction isn't good enough and the Williams isn't kind enough on its tyres, and combined, he'd have been way off the pace at the end - the only saving grace might have been Rosberg's lack of pace to overtake, but then Perez might have been backed up enough to attack Rosberg, or the Red Bulls attack Perez and Rosberg, so who knows how it could have panned out - it wouldn't have been pretty anyway!

Regarding the big accident, Perez undoubtedly moved left, but he sounded like he had concerns over his brakes fading, so with Vettel just ahead of him, perhaps he felt he had to leave space should it look like he would be about to smash into the back of Vettel? I felt the penalty might have been a touch harsh, but then changing direction in the braking zone with a car close behind is a big no-no, so I've no complaints. Apparently 27G for Massa and 36G for Perez. Ouch. Vettel did a stunning job of sensing Massa was about to torpedo him. Such a shame after Perez's great race and Massa's superb comeback from that dodgy pitstop. Big shame Perez's DRS failed, as with it, you have to think he would have won that race comfortably.

Max oh Max. Fair enough it looked like he was caught out by Bianchi making the corner, hence Chilton's lurid slide into him, but have the good grace to come out and say you @#$%& up. Don't just sit there complaining that Bianchi out-braked himself, when clearly all he did was outbrake you, then proceed to drive around the outside of you. I've been more impressed with Chilton this year, but he clearly doesn't have much in the way of practice when it comes to interviews while the race is ongoing.]]> gav F1Mon, 09 Jun 2014 10:08:15 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057739#msg-1057739 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057739#msg-1057739-------------------------------------------------------
> Merc have said both drivers were managing the
> brake problems but lewis brakes over heated in the
> final pit stop, there was nothing he could do.
> Lewis was not over driving the car and it was nico
> locking brakes running wide and making errors.
> Hamilton started taking half a second a lap out of
> Rosberg - to me that says Rosberg started having
> problems before Hamilton. They'd been pretty much
> identical before that (Hamilton getting no closer
> than around 7 tenths).
>
> All said, I thought Rosberg did brilliantly to
> adapt to driving a car down lots and lots of horse
> power. Perez was gaining a second on the back
> straight on every lap.
>
>
>
>
> By the way(And if I'm wrong here someone can
> correct me), as far as I can see no team has ever
> scored more than 5 consecutive 1-2 finishes in F1
> history.
> So a record might get broken tomorrow.
>
> Murray! You can use a computer! :D

Merc have said it was lewis that started having the problem first, his started at the hairpin and Nico the 1st corner on the next lap.

Lewis was just better on the soft tyres and nico on the super soft. Once the softs went on Lewis was faster and closed the gap.

Nico drove a brilliant race to keep ahead as long as he did. Just shows that the merc is a good car round corners and its not all about the power.

I thought Massa totally blew that top 3 finish all on his own. Yet again he showed lack of race craft, it should have been an easy pass on Vettel yet he was the one making errors on new tyres and not the guys on worn tyres.]]> marcl F1Mon, 09 Jun 2014 09:43:31 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057738#msg-1057738 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057738#msg-1057738
Also it's kinda interesting to note that once Merc gets a problem, which team takes it? Red Bull. Not Force India or Williams, who both had the chance, Red Bull. For me they are team No. 2 as of this race. Even if Williams may have won that race with Massa, they didn't, Ricciardo did. So Red Bull is a big winner here, as well as Ricciardo.
Seen Vettels' reaction to his teammate winning? I had been expecting to not be that happy for him but I couldn't see any bad mood here. He has to be unlucky with that result though. It should have been him standing on top, first GP where he could push the car hard. P3 in the Grid was the result, P3 in the race. So for me Vettel is one of the losers emerging out of Montreal but at the same time should be a winner, because of how he congratulated his teammate.
Also Rosberg, that was an extremely important race for the championship. He had the problems and still managed to bring the car to P2. Hamilton DNF. No chance for Hamilton, still that guy has lost big. Will be hard for him to catch Rosberg.

Also, watch McLaren's results. Button 4th, Magnussen 9th, best non-works-Mercedes. Result is unrealistic but they brought their cars home in contrast to Massa and Perez. Still they have won here as well, have to improve on their pace though.

Big winner: F1, again. (Even if problems of the 2 cars normally pacing 3secs per lap faster caused this) the race was awesome. Seeing 5 cars race to the finish (or rather the Safety Car) is pure awesomeness. Was one, if not the, most thrilling race of modern F1.
Just one thing to Bahrain: I may be the only one with this view but I didn't see Bahrain as such a great race. It was mainly a demonstration of Mercedes strength, 24+ seconds gap to the rest of the field after some 10ish laps is too big of a gap. Even if there were fights all over the place, for me it wasn't as exciting because they had 2 cars, the teammates, battle for the position, Mercedes going away while battling each other. The exception being the last few laps because of the Safety Car. Not exactly what I want to see, I'd rather see different cars battle each other. That's why Canada was so awesome this year.]]> xSilvermanx F1Mon, 09 Jun 2014 09:24:32 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057736#msg-1057736 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057736#msg-1057736 Laton F1Mon, 09 Jun 2014 09:14:33 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057734#msg-1057734 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057734#msg-1057734
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marcl
Merc have said both drivers were managing the brake problems but lewis brakes over heated in the final pit stop, there was nothing he could do. Lewis was not over driving the car and it was nico locking brakes running wide and making errors.
Hamilton started taking half a second a lap out of Rosberg - to me that says Rosberg started having problems before Hamilton. They'd been pretty much identical before that (Hamilton getting no closer than around 7 tenths).

All said, I thought Rosberg did brilliantly to adapt to driving a car down lots and lots of horse power. Perez was gaining a second on the back straight on every lap.



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By the way(And if I'm wrong here someone can correct me), as far as I can see no team has ever scored more than 5 consecutive 1-2 finishes in F1 history.
So a record might get broken tomorrow.
Murray! You can use a computer! :D]]> gav F1Mon, 09 Jun 2014 08:23:05 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057733#msg-1057733 Re: Round 7 - Montrunrealhttps://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?3,1057640,1057733#msg-1057733
Lewis was the faster driver of the two in the race and I think 100% would have beat nico had the cars not gone wrong.

I bet in the next race merc will raise the shut down temp limit to stop the same problem happening again.

I am also thinking if nico does not get a dnf then there is little hope lewis can catch him.]]> marcl F1Mon, 09 Jun 2014 06:25:12 +0200