... I've only just realised how boring F1 has become. The Nurburgring race had me gripped. I only watched it because I was bored at the time - now I think I'll watch each race and enjoy it more than F1! Just a shame I only get to watch it a week after it happened :(https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,579707#msg-579707Thu, 17 Sep 2026 00:31:42 +0200 Phorum 5.3-dev https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,582533#msg-582533 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,582533#msg-582533
Most wont dare to make a move.

But then, not everyone is a Senna or a Mansell :P]]> chet Other MotorsportsSun, 04 Jun 2006 23:37:11 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,582425#msg-582425 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,582425#msg-582425 DaveEllis Other MotorsportsSun, 04 Jun 2006 18:45:08 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,582423#msg-582423 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,582423#msg-582423 tripleM Other MotorsportsSun, 04 Jun 2006 18:35:54 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,582357#msg-582357 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,582357#msg-582357
All these driver oriented series set out to prove who's the best driver.

F1 sets out to prove which team is best when matched with a group of already proven drivers.]]> zeppelin101 Other MotorsportsSun, 04 Jun 2006 14:05:38 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,581640#msg-581640 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,581640#msg-581640Also there is no team I like fighting for the championship..

Ah, a fanboy! Someone only interested when there team is doing well!]]> DaveEllis Other MotorsportsFri, 02 Jun 2006 00:22:19 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,581628#msg-581628 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,581628#msg-581628
Also there is no team I like fighting for the championship..

So yes F1 is getting more and more Boring these days...]]> IL Dottore Other MotorsportsFri, 02 Jun 2006 00:07:03 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580841#msg-580841 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580841#msg-580841
Exactly the same sentiment here.
The sheer enormity and technology of F1 makes me dribble! As a failed driver and mechanic im left in awe by F1, i just love it!

I do however enjoy BTCC and A1GP for the entertainment value.]]> Peat Other MotorsportsWed, 31 May 2006 12:49:41 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580489#msg-580489 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580489#msg-580489
An argument over which series is better is pointless. After all I'm a Yank and I HATE NASCAR, I hate the whole mentality behind it - I would sooner watch sewing machine races. But I am certainly not going to try to convince Dave Ellis or anyone else for that matter of my opinions. Maybe he has an appreciation that I don't get. Which leads right back to my point...Guys these are the most outrageous racing machines on the planet. Enough with the boring/cheating/team orders/blah, blah, blah. Just sit back and enjoy the most awesome cars on the planet. F*%k - even practice gives me a chubby.

FraPP!!!!]]> Fraplee Other MotorsportsTue, 30 May 2006 17:08:43 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580324#msg-580324 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580324#msg-580324quality of racing in F1 far surpasses that of any motorsport I've seen in my life. I find it much more enjoyable to watch the "no passes" in F1 than GP2 or A1GP where most of the drivers don't know what they're doing. Another example is the BTCC; I used to watch it all the time when it was under the Super Touring regs, now it's just a boring and sloppy crashfest. More action, less quality.]]> Zyklef Other MotorsportsTue, 30 May 2006 10:58:02 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580294#msg-580294 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580294#msg-580294
And the only reason I watch GP2 is for Lewis.]]> chet Other MotorsportsTue, 30 May 2006 08:54:43 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580255#msg-580255 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580255#msg-580255
If you don't like other formula, thats your choice.]]> DrDougal Other MotorsportsTue, 30 May 2006 01:44:17 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580250#msg-580250 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580250#msg-580250You're just happy seeing the worlds most expensive scaletrix set with one slot, as long as the technology is there?

Nope. At no point was technology ever mentioned by either of us. Secondly, F1 proved last night, once again, that it is not a scaletrix set. Monaco provided passing and iirc, the only race this year with proper passing was Imola. Hell even Barcelona had some.

REAL racing. Drivers who REALLY want to win and overtake rather than drivers who would rather overtake with a "calculator" or settle for points for a year long championship.

Im sorry, but A1GP doesnt have that. A1GP has a bunch of rookies, some of them, unable to control the car in the slightest, pulling off stupid moves and causing bad accidents and rolling cars. That is not racing. Its an entertainment show. Not far off the fabricated soap opera which American Wrestling produces.

I watch motorsports for top class professional racing drivers battling each other. Whether you care to admit this or not, this DOES actually happen in F1, and no ammount of "theres no passing" false statements will change this.]]> DaveEllis Other MotorsportsTue, 30 May 2006 01:28:41 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580240#msg-580240 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580240#msg-580240entertaining in the poor driver, all over the shop making sloppy passes type way. I dont find that entertaining at all. I find it extremely boring watching n00bs

You're just happy seeing the worlds most expensive scaletrix set with one slot, as long as the technology is there?
GP2 and A1GP has more overtaking, wheel to wheel racing and action in one race than usually a whole season of F1. REAL racing. Drivers who REALLY want to win and overtake rather than drivers who would rather overtake with a "calculator" or settle for points for a year long championship.

Hamilton and Piquet jnr are bound to be in F1 soon. Does that make them sloppy drivers now (whilst in GP2) and brilliant drivers next year?]]> DrDougal Other MotorsportsTue, 30 May 2006 00:34:53 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580226#msg-580226 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580226#msg-580226Sorry, GP2 is WAY MORE entertaining than F1!

entertaining in the poor driver, all over the shop making sloppy passes type way. I dont find that entertaining at all. I find it extremely boring watching n00bs.]]> DaveEllis Other MotorsportsMon, 29 May 2006 23:48:15 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580220#msg-580220 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580220#msg-580220
Like someone said the mid-field of F1 is amazingly close!

This is the closest bunch of cars ive seen in a while. Honda, Williams, RedBull, and Toyota are so close! Maybe Williams and Honda edging the other two, but not by alot...

I cant wait, from Hockenhiem (and including) I think the racing will be intense! All tracks bar the Hungaroring are immense!]]> chet Other MotorsportsMon, 29 May 2006 23:30:08 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580201#msg-580201 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580201#msg-580201 Covfan Other MotorsportsMon, 29 May 2006 22:37:10 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580199#msg-580199 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580199#msg-580199
I like F1, but if it wasn't for the amzing coverage, the way it is built up and the atmosphere, I probably wouldn't care for it as much (although I would still like it).

Sorry, GP2 is WAY MORE entertaining than F1! However, during a good F1 race I find that WAY MORE "exciting" than GP2.

Is it the difference between "entertainment" and "excitment"?]]> DrDougal Other MotorsportsMon, 29 May 2006 22:29:55 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580152#msg-580152 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580152#msg-580152 DaveEllis Other MotorsportsMon, 29 May 2006 20:43:40 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580130#msg-580130 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580130#msg-580130-------------------------------------------------------
> Comon tell me now what single spec series doesnt
> have loads of overtaking?

Formula Renault.

;)]]> six degrees Other MotorsportsMon, 29 May 2006 20:03:40 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580097#msg-580097 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580097#msg-580097The cars are the same! Therefore the emphasis is more on driver skill and setup. however some weekend the setup isnt there for some teams and therefore the driver is making up the difference while for others the setup is there but the drivers are crap! Therefore it balances out with TONS of on track battles!

Comon tell me now what single spec series doesnt have loads of overtaking? F3, Formula Ford/BMW/Palmer. The cars are made in such a way for there to be action!

And IMO F1 is far from boring this year, the midfield is HUGE! Honda, BMW, Toyota, Williams, RBR meaning there is always a huge battle for the final points paying positions and if a Big gun doesnt get it right a la Mclaren @ Spain then there more people together.
Yes Alonso is dominating but that is hardly his fault. 2006 has by far and away IMO been the bests season since 2003.

And despite being initially excited about the series i am dont see A1GP as exciting as i previously thought.
Some race were awesome just like Sepang Sprint with the France vs. Swiss battle on the last lap for the lead however so people seriously shouldnt be driving the cars at all. And why do nations such as Finalnd and Spain not have entries while countries with no racing heritage like Lebanon do?]]> Mini Maestro Other MotorsportsMon, 29 May 2006 19:02:28 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580040#msg-580040 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580040#msg-580040F1 is getting more and more boring. is just simply not true. And when there wasnt pit stops, the fastest car often just drove off into the distance anyway]]> DaveEllis Other MotorsportsMon, 29 May 2006 17:14:25 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580023#msg-580023 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580023#msg-580023 Nickv Other MotorsportsMon, 29 May 2006 16:42:17 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580003#msg-580003 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,580003#msg-580003
People either dont know about old F1 (and pretend they do), or look back and remember it better than it actually was.

F1 has certainly not gotten worse and like every sport has good and bad years, and good and bad races]]> DaveEllis Other MotorsportsMon, 29 May 2006 16:23:14 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,579978#msg-579978 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,579978#msg-579978-------------------------------------------------------
> Monaco has always been a good race. Every year
> there is chaos, action and overtaking. But Spain
> was boring, just like other GPs. And the European
> GP was clearly won by a team who knows how to
> handle a calculator.
>

Team of Three Texas Instruments Engineers invented the Portable, Hand-Held Electronic Calculator in 1967. Incidentally aerodynamics more complex than "bullet theory" entered into formula 1 the same year. But formula one wasn't even called formula one back then.

So when was it that there has EVER been an F1 GP that was won by a team that could NOT handle a calculator?]]> Morbid Other MotorsportsMon, 29 May 2006 16:06:09 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,579956#msg-579956 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,579956#msg-579956anything but boring. Okay, we don't always get wheel-to-wheel racing, but I think it's been pretty good this year and like Dave said, you can't expect overtaking at every corner, or on every lap. Overtaking is meant to be a challenge. If you want to watch overtaking at every corner, watch GP2, or Moto GP.]]> Ferrari_Fuhrer Other MotorsportsMon, 29 May 2006 15:38:28 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,579952#msg-579952 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,579952#msg-579952
Yes, there are mechanics in teams who aren't from the teams country. But it's mainly about the drivers being from different countries, because that's what the average race watcher looks at. About Graham Rahal, you;re right. I had no idea what he did there. And about 'some of the drivers', well you can safely make most of the drivers.

And about the drivers I called talented, if you had read it better, you would've seen I meant Lapierre, Prémat, Jani and Piquet Jr.]]> Nickv Other MotorsportsMon, 29 May 2006 15:36:07 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,579916#msg-579916 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,579916#msg-579916
Motorsports has a ladder of series. Generally the top series Outside America is very much Formula 1. That is what most drivers aim for (not all, obviously). The very obvious route to F1 is something like - Karts - Formula Ford - Formula 3 - GP2 - F1.

A1GP doesnt fit into the series ladder at all and provides no logical step to progress to anything higher. With the exceptionally poor driving standards displayed last season, it isnt exactly a welcoming prospect either. F1 teams will not look there for talent

And every new series has trouble with the start. Financial or technical. And AFAIK every team has two cars in a weekend.

Not at all. They started off with 2 cars, but the massive ammount of accidetns and lack of cash forced A1GP to remove the spare cars from the teams and only allocate them when required. They ran out of chassis. Teams also ran out of spare parts on several occasions, forced to run other teams parts, and even buy them from teams and repaint them before the next race.

And tbh, no, news series dont normally have many problems. ALMS, Grand Am and LMS (LMES) all started off fine. GP2 didnt exactly struggle either.

The owners were in talks to sell the series late last year and still were until recently. They now have a finanical backer, which is, from what i hear, extremely unstable at best. But you have to take what you can get right? Beggers cant be choosers.

btw, A1GP isnt nation on nation anyway. The French Team are all english mechanics. Graham Rahal, Bobbys Son, whos an American drove for Lebanon or something because of grand parents or something down the line like that. The only thing national about it is the colours and some of the drivers. Its also certainly not the "World Cup Of Motorsports" like it has been advertised as.

They are all talented drivers.

Ouch, fatal mistake. They most certainly are not all talented drivers. Team Chinas guy shouldnt even be allowed on a race track. Lebanon before Graham Rahal was enough to make you embaressed from watching, Team Japan managed to roll a car...under Safety Car..and Jos and his hissy fits whilst causing lots of small accidents isnt exactly wonderfull either.]]> DaveEllis Other MotorsportsMon, 29 May 2006 15:12:23 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,579887#msg-579887 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,579887#msg-579887And every new series has trouble with the start. Financial or technical. And AFAIK every team has two cars in a weekend.

And I still like F1, but it gets boring. The professional action you're talking about is mainly in the fueltank.

And A1GP drivers are certainly not all amateurs. Lapierre, Prémat, Jani, Piquet Jr. They are all talented drivers.]]> Nickv Other MotorsportsMon, 29 May 2006 14:52:58 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,579886#msg-579886 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,579886#msg-579886
I was going to put in

We have had a fantastic year of F1 and quite a few great battles. If you honestly think that f1 in the past used to be passing at every corner than your looking back with rose tinted glasses, or you simply dont know anything about F1 in those days. Yes we have had bad years. 2002 and 2004 had very little action. But 2003, 2005 and so far 2060 have produced mostly great races. Yes there have been poor races inbetween, but go find me a series that doesnt have at least some poor races mixed in with excellent ones?

At the end of the day, if you want to see professional close racing, f1 is giving you that. And whether you care to admit it or not, F1 has provided action. However if you want to see cars flying all over the place and passing moves all over the shop with pre-fabricated action, then A1GP or even BTCC is right up your street.]]> DaveEllis Other MotorsportsMon, 29 May 2006 14:50:50 +0200 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,579874#msg-579874 https://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?17,579707,579874#msg-579874
Nobody of value cared about the series and thwy were in finanical trouble as no sponsored were onboard and the owners tried to offload the series and the millions of dollars worth of debt to other people.

they also have no spare chassis and very little spare parts and no money to produce anymore.

I dont see what NASCAR has to do wtih this as it cant be compared to open wheel, or even road racing in any way

However if your bored with the professional action you get in f1, then some amaters poncing around the track in under powered tarrted up F3 cars, being unable to keep the car on the track for 5 laps may fit your liking.]]> DaveEllis Other MotorsportsMon, 29 May 2006 14:39:47 +0200