F1 Manager - 2005 Season - End of the Season!
Posted by Twigster151
I don't agree with having multiple contracts as it then gets a hell of a lot more confusing
JohnWarrington Wrote:
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> I don't agree with having multiple contracts as it
> then gets a hell of a lot more confusing
Did it not occur to you to mention this when the idea was first proposed?! If I had known there were people apposed to idea I would have thought twice about implementing it in the first place! It would have saved an awful lot of hassle on my part...
So now that people have actually decided to reveal that they don't want multi-year contracts about four months too late I guess we'll have to put it to a vote. I take it Jake, John and Rick are against it, but it'll all depend on what the rest of the managers want.
EDIT: ignore me, I'm an idiot
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/15/2011 09:18PM by Twigster151.
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> I don't agree with having multiple contracts as it
> then gets a hell of a lot more confusing
So now that people have actually decided to reveal that they don't want multi-year contracts about four months too late I guess we'll have to put it to a vote. I take it Jake, John and Rick are against it, but it'll all depend on what the rest of the managers want.
EDIT: ignore me, I'm an idiot
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/15/2011 09:18PM by Twigster151.
One thing I want to know is if we sign a driver to a multi year contract, how is the budget for the next season be worked out? This is the main thing I'm confused about. Apologies if I'm being thick
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/15/2011 06:47PM by JohnWarrington.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/15/2011 06:47PM by JohnWarrington.
I vote for it because I still think it would be good to have multi-year contracts, even if it makes it much more difficult to keep track of all contracts that have been concluded. But I think that can be solved by a well-structured excel file. There are also two more things that I think we need to clarify if we introduce it, but I'll come back to that after the vote.
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JohnWarrington Wrote:
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> One thing I want to know is if we sign a driver to
> a multi year contract, how is the budget for the
> next season be worked out? This is the main thing
> I'm confused about. Apologies if I'm being thick
I assume you're talking about how we go about deducting to cost from the teams budget when a team signs a driver on a two or three contract? As if we were to simply deduct the whole cost of the contract the team in question would have a ridiculous amount of money the next season.
Well if you were to sign a driver on a two year contract you would pay half of the total price of the contract when you actually sign the driver and half would be automatically deducted from your team budget next season. So say you were to resign Vettel for this year on a two year contract in order to keep him at McLaren until the end of 2007 for a fee of let's say £16m. You would pay £8m out of your 2006 Team Budget, then when we get around to starting contract negotiations for 2007 £8m will be automatically deducted from your budget before you start signing contracts for 2007. The benefits of this would be that, on paper at least, signing Vettel on a two year contract would work out to be cheaper than signing him on two one year deals this year and during the 2006 season and of course there is no danger of him losing him to another team. I know it's a very basic example but you can see the gist of the idea.
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> One thing I want to know is if we sign a driver to
> a multi year contract, how is the budget for the
> next season be worked out? This is the main thing
> I'm confused about. Apologies if I'm being thick
I assume you're talking about how we go about deducting to cost from the teams budget when a team signs a driver on a two or three contract? As if we were to simply deduct the whole cost of the contract the team in question would have a ridiculous amount of money the next season.
Well if you were to sign a driver on a two year contract you would pay half of the total price of the contract when you actually sign the driver and half would be automatically deducted from your team budget next season. So say you were to resign Vettel for this year on a two year contract in order to keep him at McLaren until the end of 2007 for a fee of let's say £16m. You would pay £8m out of your 2006 Team Budget, then when we get around to starting contract negotiations for 2007 £8m will be automatically deducted from your budget before you start signing contracts for 2007. The benefits of this would be that, on paper at least, signing Vettel on a two year contract would work out to be cheaper than signing him on two one year deals this year and during the 2006 season and of course there is no danger of him losing him to another team. I know it's a very basic example but you can see the gist of the idea.
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Forget about the two things, the first was the same John was talking about, the second was about several teams offering different (in lenght) contracts to the same driver (I missed it on the last page and also forgot about the solution I suggested )
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Incident 2k9 Wrote:
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> Aah, that clears it up wonderfully. I like it, and
> perhaps in retrospect I was a little confused.
>
> I'm up for that, gives us the chance to develop
> some young drivers.
Ah, in that case I guess it's my fault for not explaining it properly :/ so apologies for my little outburst, it's just that I've not had the best of days
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> Aah, that clears it up wonderfully. I like it, and
> perhaps in retrospect I was a little confused.
>
> I'm up for that, gives us the chance to develop
> some young drivers.
Ah, in that case I guess it's my fault for not explaining it properly :/ so apologies for my little outburst, it's just that I've not had the best of days
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Twigster151 Wrote:
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> Incident 2k9 Wrote:
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> > Aah, that clears it up wonderfully. I like it,
> and
> > perhaps in retrospect I was a little confused.
> >
> > I'm up for that, gives us the chance to develop
> > some young drivers.
>
> Ah, in that case I guess it's my fault for not
> explaining it properly :/ so apologies for my
> little outburst, it's just that I've not had the
> best of days
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> Incident 2k9 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Aah, that clears it up wonderfully. I like it,
> and
> > perhaps in retrospect I was a little confused.
> >
> > I'm up for that, gives us the chance to develop
> > some young drivers.
>
> Ah, in that case I guess it's my fault for not
> explaining it properly :/ so apologies for my
> little outburst, it's just that I've not had the
> best of days
Don't worry, happens to the best of people. That's just the way the cookie crumbles...
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I like the multi-year idea 
It definately adds realism to the case!
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Mogotron Takes Over at Sauber
After the previous team manager at Sauber Captinfranko decided to step down due to other commitments this left Sauber boss-less for the second time in two seasons. Luckily however they today announced that they have successful hired the manager of the GP2 team iSport International Mogotron in the hope that he will be able to turn the teams fortunes around.
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After the previous team manager at Sauber Captinfranko decided to step down due to other commitments this left Sauber boss-less for the second time in two seasons. Luckily however they today announced that they have successful hired the manager of the GP2 team iSport International Mogotron in the hope that he will be able to turn the teams fortunes around.
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Twigster151 Wrote:
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> JohnWarrington Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > One thing I want to know is if we sign a driver
> to
> > a multi year contract, how is the budget for
> the
> > next season be worked out? This is the main
> thing
> > I'm confused about. Apologies if I'm being
> thick
>
> I assume you're talking about how we go about
> deducting to cost from the teams budget when a
> team signs a driver on a two or three contract? As
> if we were to simply deduct the whole cost of the
> contract the team in question would have a
> ridiculous amount of money the next season.
>
> Well if you were to sign a driver on a two year
> contract you would pay half of the total price of
> the contract when you actually sign the driver and
> half would be automatically deducted from your
> team budget next season. So say you were to resign
> Vettel for this year on a two year contract in
> order to keep him at McLaren until the end of 2007
> for a fee of let's say £16m. You would pay £8m
> out of your 2006 Team Budget, then when we get
> around to starting contract negotiations for 2007
> £8m will be automatically deducted from your
> budget before you start signing contracts for
> 2007. The benefits of this would be that, on paper
> at least, signing Vettel on a two year contract
> would work out to be cheaper than signing him on
> two one year deals this year and during the 2006
> season and of course there is no danger of him
> losing him to another team. I know it's a very
> basic example but you can see the gist of the
> idea.
Ah I understand it now. That seems much better
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> JohnWarrington Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > One thing I want to know is if we sign a driver
> to
> > a multi year contract, how is the budget for
> the
> > next season be worked out? This is the main
> thing
> > I'm confused about. Apologies if I'm being
> thick
>
> I assume you're talking about how we go about
> deducting to cost from the teams budget when a
> team signs a driver on a two or three contract? As
> if we were to simply deduct the whole cost of the
> contract the team in question would have a
> ridiculous amount of money the next season.
>
> Well if you were to sign a driver on a two year
> contract you would pay half of the total price of
> the contract when you actually sign the driver and
> half would be automatically deducted from your
> team budget next season. So say you were to resign
> Vettel for this year on a two year contract in
> order to keep him at McLaren until the end of 2007
> for a fee of let's say £16m. You would pay £8m
> out of your 2006 Team Budget, then when we get
> around to starting contract negotiations for 2007
> £8m will be automatically deducted from your
> budget before you start signing contracts for
> 2007. The benefits of this would be that, on paper
> at least, signing Vettel on a two year contract
> would work out to be cheaper than signing him on
> two one year deals this year and during the 2006
> season and of course there is no danger of him
> losing him to another team. I know it's a very
> basic example but you can see the gist of the
> idea.
Ah I understand it now. That seems much better
mogotron Wrote:
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> Sauber new principal Mogotron.
>
>
> "I am delighted to have the opportunity to manage
> in F1, don't get me wrong GP2 is a great place to
> be, I am planing on staying as the ISport team
> manager at gp2 as well if that is not a problem,
> but we will monitor both of our drivers in F1 and
> make a decision on what direction the team should
> take, but there will be some changes"
I'm afraid that this probably will not be possible as it's not exactly fair to anyone who wishes to join the series if we have members running more than one team, and it would cause quite a bit of trouble once contract negociations get underway, and it would also mean that Sauber own two teams in GP2. You'll have to check with Reve to see if he is alright with you running the iSport team whilst he is looking for a replacement, as it his series afterall, but in my personal opinion it is not a plausible option.
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> Sauber new principal Mogotron.
>
>
> "I am delighted to have the opportunity to manage
> in F1, don't get me wrong GP2 is a great place to
> be, I am planing on staying as the ISport team
> manager at gp2 as well if that is not a problem,
> but we will monitor both of our drivers in F1 and
> make a decision on what direction the team should
> take, but there will be some changes"
I'm afraid that this probably will not be possible as it's not exactly fair to anyone who wishes to join the series if we have members running more than one team, and it would cause quite a bit of trouble once contract negociations get underway, and it would also mean that Sauber own two teams in GP2. You'll have to check with Reve to see if he is alright with you running the iSport team whilst he is looking for a replacement, as it his series afterall, but in my personal opinion it is not a plausible option.
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Twigster151 schrieb:
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> mogotron Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Sauber new principal Mogotron.
> >
> >
> > "I am delighted to have the opportunity to
> manage
> > in F1, don't get me wrong GP2 is a great place
> to
> > be, I am planing on staying as the ISport team
> > manager at gp2 as well if that is not a
> problem,
> > but we will monitor both of our drivers in F1
> and
> > make a decision on what direction the team
> should
> > take, but there will be some changes"
>
> I'm afraid that this probably will not be possible
> as it's not exactly fair to anyone who wishes to
> join the series if we have members running more
> than one team, and it would cause quite a bit of
> trouble once contract negociations get underway,
> and it would also mean that Sauber own two teams
> in GP2. You'll have to check with Reve to see if
> he is alright with you running the iSport team
> whilst he is looking for a replacement, as it his
> series afterall, but in my personal opinion it is
> not a plausible option.
Same opinion here. You can manage the team as long as their is no new driver found, but for the above mentioned reasons you can´t stay the active manager.
As for multi-year contracts: I had something like this in my mind as well, still I my idea looked a bit different. Let´s take Michael Schumacher for example:
Signing him for one year costs 15m, while contracting him for 2 years costs 24m (I don´t recognize the prices, but I think it was similiar to that). This means, a manager had to pay 12m per year. As Schumacher is an Ace driver, everyone who wouldn´t try to get him for the most available years would be silly. This leads to my conclusion, that drivers (especially good drivers) should be getting more expensive for more year contracts.
Or an even easier idea: Twigster posts one minimum contract offer, like in the 2004 season. The managers will now send in their offers and besides just sending the offer they as well state for how many seasons they want to sign him. Based on logic and the bidded offers, Twigster decides who signs the driver. A little example for Schumacher (based on 2004 season):
Ferrari offers 16m for 3 season.
Williams offers 16m for 1 seasons.
Schumacher decides to join Williams, because they won the championship and he hopes to get a fast car for next year again. Still, if they would´ve offered a multi-year contract, he probably wouldn´t have joined, as Williams is not always on the top of the teams, as Ferrari is. And if the team sucks this season, what of it. Schumacher is an awesome driver and as long as he outclases his teammate he will probably get a good offer for the next season again. On the other side, young drivers would accept the longer contracts for sure, as that means they have a future in F1 - money only comes second (or third if team performances have a role as well)
So far for my little proposal
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/16/2011 10:47AM by Reve-san.
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> mogotron Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Sauber new principal Mogotron.
> >
> >
> > "I am delighted to have the opportunity to
> manage
> > in F1, don't get me wrong GP2 is a great place
> to
> > be, I am planing on staying as the ISport team
> > manager at gp2 as well if that is not a
> problem,
> > but we will monitor both of our drivers in F1
> and
> > make a decision on what direction the team
> should
> > take, but there will be some changes"
>
> I'm afraid that this probably will not be possible
> as it's not exactly fair to anyone who wishes to
> join the series if we have members running more
> than one team, and it would cause quite a bit of
> trouble once contract negociations get underway,
> and it would also mean that Sauber own two teams
> in GP2. You'll have to check with Reve to see if
> he is alright with you running the iSport team
> whilst he is looking for a replacement, as it his
> series afterall, but in my personal opinion it is
> not a plausible option.
Same opinion here. You can manage the team as long as their is no new driver found, but for the above mentioned reasons you can´t stay the active manager.
As for multi-year contracts: I had something like this in my mind as well, still I my idea looked a bit different. Let´s take Michael Schumacher for example:
Signing him for one year costs 15m, while contracting him for 2 years costs 24m (I don´t recognize the prices, but I think it was similiar to that). This means, a manager had to pay 12m per year. As Schumacher is an Ace driver, everyone who wouldn´t try to get him for the most available years would be silly. This leads to my conclusion, that drivers (especially good drivers) should be getting more expensive for more year contracts.
Or an even easier idea: Twigster posts one minimum contract offer, like in the 2004 season. The managers will now send in their offers and besides just sending the offer they as well state for how many seasons they want to sign him. Based on logic and the bidded offers, Twigster decides who signs the driver. A little example for Schumacher (based on 2004 season):
Ferrari offers 16m for 3 season.
Williams offers 16m for 1 seasons.
Schumacher decides to join Williams, because they won the championship and he hopes to get a fast car for next year again. Still, if they would´ve offered a multi-year contract, he probably wouldn´t have joined, as Williams is not always on the top of the teams, as Ferrari is. And if the team sucks this season, what of it. Schumacher is an awesome driver and as long as he outclases his teammate he will probably get a good offer for the next season again. On the other side, young drivers would accept the longer contracts for sure, as that means they have a future in F1 - money only comes second (or third if team performances have a role as well)
So far for my little proposal
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/16/2011 10:47AM by Reve-san.
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