GrandprixX.com - WSC 1989 beta online!
Posted by b-tone
Awesome work Aid - Mark told you me were starting that but I don't know how you got so much done so quickly 
Rot Teufel - thanks a lot for the feedback - its a big help
The physics now are very early, and mainly the aim is to get the feel of the cars. Those three tracks need some tweaks so we can't go for perfect times yet, and the other tracks need to be built.
But your info is good so far - adjusting the times a little bit isn't too difficult, so i think we're on the right track
I don't know anything about the rf mod so I'm not sure if comparing to that is wise. There are quite a few videos on youtube and other places, and some good onboard ones of similar cars from that era too.
All other things for the mod are going on - cars being built ands painted, tracks being made etc. Mexico is progressing well
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Tony
Rot Teufel - thanks a lot for the feedback - its a big help
The physics now are very early, and mainly the aim is to get the feel of the cars. Those three tracks need some tweaks so we can't go for perfect times yet, and the other tracks need to be built.
But your info is good so far - adjusting the times a little bit isn't too difficult, so i think we're on the right track
I don't know anything about the rf mod so I'm not sure if comparing to that is wise. There are quite a few videos on youtube and other places, and some good onboard ones of similar cars from that era too.
All other things for the mod are going on - cars being built ands painted, tracks being made etc. Mexico is progressing well
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Tony
looks awesome aid
thx guys
@Mark - np mate
@Tony - tja i had some free time :D
@Mark - np mate
@Tony - tja i had some free time :D
So, just come out with a steering wheel test. Seems a good physics, great fun.
Howewer don't know if it's my fault how i have set my G25 on GP4, but i can only accelerate and don't brake... :P
Someone remember a G25's good specific set for GP4? Just to test in right
My workthread with all RELEASED and WIP stuff
Howewer don't know if it's my fault how i have set my G25 on GP4, but i can only accelerate and don't brake... :P
Someone remember a G25's good specific set for GP4? Just to test in right
I have a Ferrari GT wheel, for GP4 I must use combined pedals (green LED),
for rFactor seperate pedals (red LED).
Press both pedals plus "Home" button = combined pedals
Please take a look at the user manual.
Happy racing from Germany !!!
for rFactor seperate pedals (red LED).
Press both pedals plus "Home" button = combined pedals
Please take a look at the user manual.
Happy racing from Germany !!!
Guimengo schreef:
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> MarioB, if pole was 1:50.6 then it must have been
> a great lap under little fuel. It should take a
> very good GP4er to match that lap and beat it by
> maybe .5s if he nails it ingame where he doesn't
> need to worry about real damage. If after just a
> few laps with little tweak a time within 1s of it
> can be reached then there is something that can be
> optimized with the (early beta) physics. These
> cars had very nice grip and acceleration/speed and
> weren't tooooo far from F1s. Big fat slicks and
> tons of downforce... make sure there's good drag,
> nervous acceleration, semi-decent slip angle and a
> very nice base should be set. I hope this kicks a
> lot of butt
.
Thanks Guimengo, i think we agree about the the physics, maybe not sure about the downforce; it seems the cornerspeed were not that high. But speed on the straight were very very very high, higher than F1.... Thanks for your feedback.
Rot Teufel @
So 1.28.380 on the Nurburgring with TC, pole position in 1989 was by Baldi in the Sauber C9 : 1.23.125, about the AI those are the times the C2 cars were doing. Indeed we have some performance work to do.
About the limits; we have talked about it with some guys. Most said it wasn't to hard to break the limits (cars and track) but it's a lot of work and they didn't want to do it. So 30/40 cars would be hard to see them at once on the track, maybe there will be a chose of that many cars for you. But the Le Mans track is still on my to do list and we will give it a try, we have some ideas how can let it work, so fingers crossed.
About your wheel, it would be useful if you brake with the WSC cars...It looks like we have our beta-tester, thanks for that. Please keep going on, and keep critical to us.
Thanks
Mark
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> MarioB, if pole was 1:50.6 then it must have been
> a great lap under little fuel. It should take a
> very good GP4er to match that lap and beat it by
> maybe .5s if he nails it ingame where he doesn't
> need to worry about real damage. If after just a
> few laps with little tweak a time within 1s of it
> can be reached then there is something that can be
> optimized with the (early beta) physics. These
> cars had very nice grip and acceleration/speed and
> weren't tooooo far from F1s. Big fat slicks and
> tons of downforce... make sure there's good drag,
> nervous acceleration, semi-decent slip angle and a
> very nice base should be set. I hope this kicks a
> lot of butt
.Thanks Guimengo, i think we agree about the the physics, maybe not sure about the downforce; it seems the cornerspeed were not that high. But speed on the straight were very very very high, higher than F1.... Thanks for your feedback.
Rot Teufel @
So 1.28.380 on the Nurburgring with TC, pole position in 1989 was by Baldi in the Sauber C9 : 1.23.125, about the AI those are the times the C2 cars were doing. Indeed we have some performance work to do.
About the limits; we have talked about it with some guys. Most said it wasn't to hard to break the limits (cars and track) but it's a lot of work and they didn't want to do it. So 30/40 cars would be hard to see them at once on the track, maybe there will be a chose of that many cars for you. But the Le Mans track is still on my to do list and we will give it a try, we have some ideas how can let it work, so fingers crossed.
About your wheel, it would be useful if you brake with the WSC cars...It looks like we have our beta-tester, thanks for that. Please keep going on, and keep critical to us.
Thanks
Mark
So second try with G25 (fixed) at Nurburgring: maybe i comes out from an rFactor session, feeling different, lol.
Accelaration: seems more easy than the 1991 mod, maybe it's the major weight (i think that you modify it), howewer in slow corners i feel it.
Brakes: Similar to the old F1 power brake, less but a lot players could lear immediatly the times of braking. For now i don't block any tyre.
Times: I know that they're wrong, but this time AI was faster (1.29.320), me about the same time of AI (1.29.450) (it was a lot of time that i don't bring back the G25)
My workthread with all RELEASED and WIP stuff
Accelaration: seems more easy than the 1991 mod, maybe it's the major weight (i think that you modify it), howewer in slow corners i feel it.
Brakes: Similar to the old F1 power brake, less but a lot players could lear immediatly the times of braking. For now i don't block any tyre.
Times: I know that they're wrong, but this time AI was faster (1.29.320), me about the same time of AI (1.29.450) (it was a lot of time that i don't bring back the G25)
Rot Teufel schreef:
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> So second try with G25 (fixed) at Nurburgring:
> maybe i comes out from an rFactor session, feeling
> different, lol.
>
> Accelaration: seems more easy than the 1991 mod,
> maybe it's the major weight (i think that you
> modify it), howewer in slow corners i feel it.
Cars were heavier than the f1's but accelaration should be same as f1 maybe more powerfull. For sure not easier than '91 mod. The had a lot of oversteer and specially the Sauber was very powerfull coming out of the corners.
>
> Brakes: Similar to the old F1 power brake, less
> but a lot players could lear immediatly the times
> of braking. For now i don't block any tyre.
Sounds good to me, you feel the difference, specially when you drive with heavy tanks, you need to brake very early.
>
> Times: I know that they're wrong, but this time AI
> was faster (1.29.320), me about the same time of
> AI (1.29.450) (it was a lot of time that i don't
> bring back the G25)
Ok, so performance need to tweaked a lot, all most go much faster, i even think the AI more than the players car. About driving with or without TC; i don't drive with a wheel and indeed without TC i can't do a single lap on my keyboard. Maybe we should make something different for wheel drivers and for keyboard drivers.
Hopefully we can release some new stuff real soon, hopefully you want to do some more test on Brands and see what you can do with a wheel and k.b.
Thanks again,
Mark
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> So second try with G25 (fixed) at Nurburgring:
> maybe i comes out from an rFactor session, feeling
> different, lol.
>
> Accelaration: seems more easy than the 1991 mod,
> maybe it's the major weight (i think that you
> modify it), howewer in slow corners i feel it.
Cars were heavier than the f1's but accelaration should be same as f1 maybe more powerfull. For sure not easier than '91 mod. The had a lot of oversteer and specially the Sauber was very powerfull coming out of the corners.
>
> Brakes: Similar to the old F1 power brake, less
> but a lot players could lear immediatly the times
> of braking. For now i don't block any tyre.
Sounds good to me, you feel the difference, specially when you drive with heavy tanks, you need to brake very early.
>
> Times: I know that they're wrong, but this time AI
> was faster (1.29.320), me about the same time of
> AI (1.29.450) (it was a lot of time that i don't
> bring back the G25)
Ok, so performance need to tweaked a lot, all most go much faster, i even think the AI more than the players car. About driving with or without TC; i don't drive with a wheel and indeed without TC i can't do a single lap on my keyboard. Maybe we should make something different for wheel drivers and for keyboard drivers.
Hopefully we can release some new stuff real soon, hopefully you want to do some more test on Brands and see what you can do with a wheel and k.b.
Thanks again,
Mark
MarioB Wrote:
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> Cars were heavier than the f1's but accelaration
> should be same as f1 maybe more powerfull. For
> sure not easier than '91 mod. The had a lot of
> oversteer and specially the Sauber was very
> powerfull coming out of the corners.
Yes, at the first laps was easy make 180 degrees, expecially on kerbs.
On k.b. it's difficolt drive without TC, real easy to spin
My workthread with all RELEASED and WIP stuff
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> Cars were heavier than the f1's but accelaration
> should be same as f1 maybe more powerfull. For
> sure not easier than '91 mod. The had a lot of
> oversteer and specially the Sauber was very
> powerfull coming out of the corners.
Yes, at the first laps was easy make 180 degrees, expecially on kerbs.
On k.b. it's difficolt drive without TC, real easy to spin
Heres some previews of Philippe awesome Spice SE89c. Spice's first attempt at C1 -they got 4th at Jarama, 5th at Spa and 9th inthe constructors race. Textures by me.
Suzuka
Dijon
Jarama
Brands Hatch
Nurburgring & Donington
Spa
Mexico
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Tony
Suzuka
Dijon
Jarama
Brands Hatch
Nurburgring & Donington
Spa
Mexico
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Tony
awesome work guys
I really need to dig out those Jag blueprints and get em scanned in!
I really need to dig out those Jag blueprints and get em scanned in!
hows progress on the tracks advertised over at www.grandprixx.com
fongu schreef:
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> awesome work guys
>
> I really need to dig out those Jag blueprints and
> get em scanned in!
What do you mean??? Might it been you are interested in making "the cat"??? That would be fantastic!!! Please let us know.
Willward @ do you mean the progress on the tracks? At the moment Mexico, Brands Hatch and Spa are in progress. So far i can tell progress is good and hopefully you all can drive those cars at Brands real soon.
Tony and Philippe @ as i told many times before; fantastic car.
Grtz
Mark
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> awesome work guys
>
> I really need to dig out those Jag blueprints and
> get em scanned in!
What do you mean??? Might it been you are interested in making "the cat"??? That would be fantastic!!! Please let us know.
Willward @ do you mean the progress on the tracks? At the moment Mexico, Brands Hatch and Spa are in progress. So far i can tell progress is good and hopefully you all can drive those cars at Brands real soon.
Tony and Philippe @ as i told many times before; fantastic car.
Grtz
Mark
I am tempted by the cat if nobody beats me to it 
I've got the tamiya model kit which would help alot with details
I've got the tamiya model kit which would help alot with details
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