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Posted by kingdeuce86
how is Alonso behind Vettel and Hamilton 
I call bs
to be fair, Senna also seems lower than he should be too
but I like the idea
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/06/2016 10:11AM by miki2000milos.
I call bsto be fair, Senna also seems lower than he should be too
but I like the idea
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/06/2016 10:11AM by miki2000milos.
Great idea.
This is a full sample of best driverst and teams ever.
Maybe you can try to find some space for Tyrrel?
(Stewart was my favourite driver when I was a kid)
One think more: Shekter was a South African Rep. driver, not Austrian.
Go ahead!
This is a full sample of best driverst and teams ever.
Maybe you can try to find some space for Tyrrel?
(Stewart was my favourite driver when I was a kid)One think more: Shekter was a South African Rep. driver, not Austrian.
Go ahead!
I also think it's a cool idea, although I have my reservations to any method which tries to determine the best drivers purely on statistical grounds (e. g. yours do not account for the relative strength of the car, see Alonso languishing in about 15th place on average in 2015). I always try to hone in on the subject using as much micro data as possible (actually re-watching races, noting race paces, relatives to teammates over the years which make for a lot of cross-checks, quali pace, driver errors, etc.) and there's always a subjective element to it and I'm not afraid to admit it.
Track selection is also a bit subjective topic, although you already admitted as much - here, I MIGHT have a bit more insight than usual due to how much time and attention I pay to track layouts during track making and how are they challenging and how they are not. But I'm also perfectly fine with other selections, even if I present my arguments beforehand.
(Needless to say, I can imagine different driver sets and calendars to what you intend to use, but this is not the point here.)
Have fun with the project, I will keep an eye on it.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/06/2016 12:38PM by Atticus..
Track selection is also a bit subjective topic, although you already admitted as much - here, I MIGHT have a bit more insight than usual due to how much time and attention I pay to track layouts during track making and how are they challenging and how they are not. But I'm also perfectly fine with other selections, even if I present my arguments beforehand.
(Needless to say, I can imagine different driver sets and calendars to what you intend to use, but this is not the point here.)
Have fun with the project, I will keep an eye on it.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/06/2016 12:38PM by Atticus..
miki2000milos Wrote:
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> how is Alonso behind Vettel and Hamilton I
> call bs
>
> to be fair, Senna also seems lower than he should
> be too
>
> but I like the idea
Because Alonso won two championships, and has spent time at the beginning of his career (and this year) driving for backmarkers. Whereas Vettel has won four titles, and Hamilton three, without really having to work up from the tail end of the field.
KALABINBSKY Wrote:
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> Great idea.
> This is a full sample of best driverst and teams
> ever.
> Maybe you can try to find some space for Tyrrel?
> (Stewart was my favourite driver when I was a
> kid)
> One think more: Shekter was a South African Rep.
> driver, not Austrian.
> Go ahead!
Tyrrell will participate in Division 2 for the opening season. Thank you for the correction.
AUS_Doug Wrote:
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> Cool idea, and it looks like you've put a lot of
> work into things.
> If you're interested in such things, the F1Metrics
> blog features a whole load of analyses of all
> things F1, including a 'Greatest F1 Driver of all
> time' list.
> While it doesn't claim to be wholly accurate - the
> author himself goes to great lengths to stress
> this - it is very interesting to read, and takes
> into account things such as car performance.
Very interesting, thanks for the reference.
Macca25 Wrote:
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> How can Schumacers average be 26.633 when you can
> only score a maximum of 25 points per race?
Because he's had 14 points added to his score for the 7 World Championships he has won. His actual average points per race is 12.633.
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> how is Alonso behind Vettel and Hamilton
I> call bs
>
> to be fair, Senna also seems lower than he should
> be too
>
> but I like the idea
Because Alonso won two championships, and has spent time at the beginning of his career (and this year) driving for backmarkers. Whereas Vettel has won four titles, and Hamilton three, without really having to work up from the tail end of the field.
KALABINBSKY Wrote:
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> Great idea.
> This is a full sample of best driverst and teams
> ever.
> Maybe you can try to find some space for Tyrrel?
>
(Stewart was my favourite driver when I was a> kid)
> One think more: Shekter was a South African Rep.
> driver, not Austrian.
> Go ahead!
Tyrrell will participate in Division 2 for the opening season. Thank you for the correction.
AUS_Doug Wrote:
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> Cool idea, and it looks like you've put a lot of
> work into things.
> If you're interested in such things, the F1Metrics
> blog features a whole load of analyses of all
> things F1, including a 'Greatest F1 Driver of all
> time' list.
> While it doesn't claim to be wholly accurate - the
> author himself goes to great lengths to stress
> this - it is very interesting to read, and takes
> into account things such as car performance.
Very interesting, thanks for the reference.
Macca25 Wrote:
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> How can Schumacers average be 26.633 when you can
> only score a maximum of 25 points per race?
Because he's had 14 points added to his score for the 7 World Championships he has won. His actual average points per race is 12.633.
To be fair, the 2 points for World Championships aren't exactly biased, either, because they yet again penalize drivers whose careers were cut short, like Senna, for example. It's likely that he would have earned more Championships without his early death. So yeah, there'll always be controversy and people shouting that one driver should be in, instead of another. Overall you really put in some thought and it's about fun, after all. Potentially, you could think about alternating drivers after seasons.
The only thing I'd personally add is that I'd have Hamilton with Mercedes and Hakkinen with McLaren, since both had their bigger F1 success with the respectively other team.
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The only thing I'd personally add is that I'd have Hamilton with Mercedes and Hakkinen with McLaren, since both had their bigger F1 success with the respectively other team.
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kingdeuce86 Wrote:
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> miki2000milos Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > how is Alonso behind Vettel and Hamilton I
> > call bs
> >
> > to be fair, Senna also seems lower than he
> should
> > be too
> >
> > but I like the idea
>
>
> Because Alonso won two championships, and has
> spent time at the beginning of his career (and
> this year) driving for backmarkers. Whereas Vettel
> has won four titles, and Hamilton three, without
> really having to work up from the tail end of the
> field.
>
> KALABINBSKY Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Great idea.
> > This is a full sample of best driverst and
> teams
> > ever.
> > Maybe you can try to find some space for Tyrrel?
>
> > (Stewart was my favourite driver when I was
> a
> > kid)
> > One think more: Shekter was a South African
> Rep.
> > driver, not Austrian.
> > Go ahead!
>
> Tyrrell will participate in Division 2 for the
> opening season. Thank you for the correction.
>
> AUS_Doug Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Cool idea, and it looks like you've put a lot
> of
> > work into things.
> > If you're interested in such things, the
> F1Metrics
> > blog features a whole load of analyses of all
> > things F1, including a 'Greatest F1 Driver of
> all
> > time' list.
> > While it doesn't claim to be wholly accurate -
> the
> > author himself goes to great lengths to stress
> > this - it is very interesting to read, and
> takes
> > into account things such as car performance.
>
> Very interesting, thanks for the reference.
>
>
> Macca25 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How can Schumacers average be 26.633 when you
> can
> > only score a maximum of 25 points per race?
>
> Because he's had 14 points added to his score for
> the 7 World Championships he has won. His actual
> average points per race is 12.633.
Oh I understand now, I thought you added the 2 points per championship before you did the averages. Thanks for clarifying.
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> miki2000milos Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > how is Alonso behind Vettel and Hamilton
I> > call bs
> >
> > to be fair, Senna also seems lower than he
> should
> > be too
> >
> > but I like the idea
>
>
> Because Alonso won two championships, and has
> spent time at the beginning of his career (and
> this year) driving for backmarkers. Whereas Vettel
> has won four titles, and Hamilton three, without
> really having to work up from the tail end of the
> field.
>
> KALABINBSKY Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Great idea.
> > This is a full sample of best driverst and
> teams
> > ever.
> > Maybe you can try to find some space for Tyrrel?
>
> >
(Stewart was my favourite driver when I was> a
> > kid)
> > One think more: Shekter was a South African
> Rep.
> > driver, not Austrian.
> > Go ahead!
>
> Tyrrell will participate in Division 2 for the
> opening season. Thank you for the correction.
>
> AUS_Doug Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Cool idea, and it looks like you've put a lot
> of
> > work into things.
> > If you're interested in such things, the
> F1Metrics
> > blog features a whole load of analyses of all
> > things F1, including a 'Greatest F1 Driver of
> all
> > time' list.
> > While it doesn't claim to be wholly accurate -
> the
> > author himself goes to great lengths to stress
> > this - it is very interesting to read, and
> takes
> > into account things such as car performance.
>
> Very interesting, thanks for the reference.
>
>
> Macca25 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How can Schumacers average be 26.633 when you
> can
> > only score a maximum of 25 points per race?
>
> Because he's had 14 points added to his score for
> the 7 World Championships he has won. His actual
> average points per race is 12.633.
Oh I understand now, I thought you added the 2 points per championship before you did the averages. Thanks for clarifying.
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Amazing. I hope Alonso can win the championship :D
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