Simulating the 2014 season - Some thoughts
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> oooh yours has even more torque than mine!
but it is blindingly obvious ... a turbo uses much torque. the more I believe that this here is not limited to 15000RPM's (but, yes 17500RPM's)
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> oooh yours has even more torque than mine!
but it is blindingly obvious ... a turbo uses much torque. the more I believe that this here is not limited to 15000RPM's (but, yes 17500RPM's)
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someone there will have to return to ms excel and calculations
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/06/2014 12:50PM by phantaman.
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I found your thread but I still don't know what to do... 
Edit: getting there. The values are Doubles, right?
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/06/2014 02:21PM by TomMK.
Edit: getting there. The values are Doubles, right?
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calculations indicate that the energy recovery system (ERS) produces approximate 160BHP against 80BHP by KERS (2013), then how is that Renault claims that its engine produces 760BHP? and Mercedez in turn claims that his engine 780/800BHP 's?
surely someone was not clear and for my part consider it as normal because nobody wants to give certain information to rival teams.
PS: I believe that an engine will produce somewhere around 610/650BHP plus ERS
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surely someone was not clear and for my part consider it as normal because nobody wants to give certain information to rival teams.
PS: I believe that an engine will produce somewhere around 610/650BHP plus ERS
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Found in http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/
How the new power units perform over a lap
The demands on the different parts of the power unit will vary over the course of a lap. Flat-out, the engine will be draining its tank and the turbocharge spinning at up to 100,000rpm.
Meanwhile the Motor Generator Unit – Heat (MGU-H) will be recovering energy from the hot waste gasses and transferring that to the Motor Generator Unit – Kinetic (MGU-K). Depending on the driver’s needs, the MGU-K will use that energy to increase the output of the power unit or conserve fuel.
When the driver reaches a corner and begins to brake the function of the MGU-K changes – it now acts as much as the KERS units of old, recovering energy from braking to story it in the battery.
The MGU-H also performs a different function. As the engine is no longer spinning the turbocharger the MGU-H takes over. This is to reduce the lag which would otherwise occur when the driver came to accelerate out of the corner and found the turbocharger was rotating too slowly.
As the driver accelerates away from the corner the engine is one again able to drive the turbocharger, and the MGU-H reverts to collecting energy from the turbocharger and exhaust.
That means, that the MGU has not only the function of adding power to the engine, but also to "preactivate" the turbo charger and add torque at lower revs. That means that the torque curve is going to be more "flat" (more of the like of Tom's figure).
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How the new power units perform over a lap
The demands on the different parts of the power unit will vary over the course of a lap. Flat-out, the engine will be draining its tank and the turbocharge spinning at up to 100,000rpm.
Meanwhile the Motor Generator Unit – Heat (MGU-H) will be recovering energy from the hot waste gasses and transferring that to the Motor Generator Unit – Kinetic (MGU-K). Depending on the driver’s needs, the MGU-K will use that energy to increase the output of the power unit or conserve fuel.
When the driver reaches a corner and begins to brake the function of the MGU-K changes – it now acts as much as the KERS units of old, recovering energy from braking to story it in the battery.
The MGU-H also performs a different function. As the engine is no longer spinning the turbocharger the MGU-H takes over. This is to reduce the lag which would otherwise occur when the driver came to accelerate out of the corner and found the turbocharger was rotating too slowly.
As the driver accelerates away from the corner the engine is one again able to drive the turbocharger, and the MGU-H reverts to collecting energy from the turbocharger and exhaust.
That means, that the MGU has not only the function of adding power to the engine, but also to "preactivate" the turbo charger and add torque at lower revs. That means that the torque curve is going to be more "flat" (more of the like of Tom's figure).
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I worked out how to make the .cap file today and I've made my torque curve better. It's insane, you have to go round slow corners in 3rd gear to try and stop the rear wheel spinning up with all that torque. Lots of fun.
I'm almost ready to release a "winter testing pack" with performance .txt file, physics .g3p file and torque .cap file. Just working on a few finer details.
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I'm almost ready to release a "winter testing pack" with performance .txt file, physics .g3p file and torque .cap file. Just working on a few finer details.
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Interesting new article on F1 Fanatic today saying the engines are more powerful than expected.
[www.f1fanatic.co.uk]
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[www.f1fanatic.co.uk]
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I read the referred article at http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/ and google translated some interesting points out of it:
AMS: Let us dare to following calculation: 30 years ago there were from 1.5 liters in five bar and 200 kg of fuel per hour peak performance of up to 1,400 hp. As would at half as much gasoline per hour without the contribution of the electric motor 700 hp but be in it?
Cowell: Correct. So you can expect.
AMS: Is it true that the engines practically never reach the speed limit of 15.000/min?
Cowell: At 10.500/min there is a maximum possible flow rate of 100 kilograms per hour. From there, the torque curve is flat to 15.000/min. If we turn up, only the friction and therefore fuel consumption goes up, but the power itself down. It is more efficient if you stay in a window around the 10.500/min around. Therefore, there will be fewer switching maneuvers. The drivers stay longer in one go. This opens up more duels on the track.
AMS: It is said that the drivers are usually move between the fourth and seventh gear.
Cowell: That depends on the track. In Monte Carlo, the window is down, move in Monza upwards. Therefore, one has introduced a eight-speed transmission. To ensure that all routes are covered with eight translations. This reduces the costs.
Point A means that the Power Unit as a whole will produce something between 800 and 850 hp.
Point B means that Tom's torque curve need some adjustments (maximum at 10.500/min, flat to 15.000/min). By the way, Tom, what is that peak on the left side of your torque curve?
Point C means than we still have to use different gear rations per track in GP4 (something like more use of 2-5 GP4-gear in Monaco-like tracks, more use of 4-7 GP4-gear in Monza-like tracks, more use of 3-6 GP4-gears for the rest)
My personal GP4 files at : www.4shared.com ______ My Blog at : Gitanes GP4 work
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AMS: Let us dare to following calculation: 30 years ago there were from 1.5 liters in five bar and 200 kg of fuel per hour peak performance of up to 1,400 hp. As would at half as much gasoline per hour without the contribution of the electric motor 700 hp but be in it?
Cowell: Correct. So you can expect.
AMS: Is it true that the engines practically never reach the speed limit of 15.000/min?
Cowell: At 10.500/min there is a maximum possible flow rate of 100 kilograms per hour. From there, the torque curve is flat to 15.000/min. If we turn up, only the friction and therefore fuel consumption goes up, but the power itself down. It is more efficient if you stay in a window around the 10.500/min around. Therefore, there will be fewer switching maneuvers. The drivers stay longer in one go. This opens up more duels on the track.
AMS: It is said that the drivers are usually move between the fourth and seventh gear.
Cowell: That depends on the track. In Monte Carlo, the window is down, move in Monza upwards. Therefore, one has introduced a eight-speed transmission. To ensure that all routes are covered with eight translations. This reduces the costs.
Point A means that the Power Unit as a whole will produce something between 800 and 850 hp.
Point B means that Tom's torque curve need some adjustments (maximum at 10.500/min, flat to 15.000/min). By the way, Tom, what is that peak on the left side of your torque curve?
Point C means than we still have to use different gear rations per track in GP4 (something like more use of 2-5 GP4-gear in Monaco-like tracks, more use of 4-7 GP4-gear in Monza-like tracks, more use of 3-6 GP4-gears for the rest)
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According to what mentioned before, my first attempt ever for a torque curve:
Any comments?
(I haven't tested it in game yet, i have produced a V6T_828.ini, could somebody transform it into a V6T_828.cap?)
My personal GP4 files at : www.4shared.com ______ My Blog at : Gitanes GP4 work
* Performance Files * LoadingScreens GoogleMaps * GP4 Tracks and Cars Databases
Any comments?
(I haven't tested it in game yet, i have produced a V6T_828.ini, could somebody transform it into a V6T_828.cap?)
* Performance Files * LoadingScreens GoogleMaps * GP4 Tracks and Cars Databases
Second attempt, more smooth:
My personal GP4 files at : www.4shared.com ______ My Blog at : Gitanes GP4 work
* Performance Files * LoadingScreens GoogleMaps * GP4 Tracks and Cars Databases
* Performance Files * LoadingScreens GoogleMaps * GP4 Tracks and Cars Databases
Your max bhp needs to be 855 like the original torque curve. If you reduce it to 828, the cars will be underpowered (I assume you will also reduce the performance file bhp to 828?).
You should only reduce the max bhp in one place, either the torque curve or the perf file. Not both.
Useful info, I have slightly adjusted mine to make 10500 the max torque point.
The critical piece of info we are missing is how much torque they are generating at that point (10500 rpm). 250 lb-ft? 300? 350? My torque curve has 341 lb-ft @10500 rpm. I think this will be fairly close but I don't really know...
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/08/2014 12:10AM by TomMK.
You should only reduce the max bhp in one place, either the torque curve or the perf file. Not both.
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At 10.500/min there is a maximum possible flow rate of 100 kilograms per hour. From there, the torque curve is flat to 15.000/min.
Useful info, I have slightly adjusted mine to make 10500 the max torque point.
The critical piece of info we are missing is how much torque they are generating at that point (10500 rpm). 250 lb-ft? 300? 350? My torque curve has 341 lb-ft @10500 rpm. I think this will be fairly close but I don't really know...
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/08/2014 12:10AM by TomMK.
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Your max bhp needs to be 855 like the original torque curve. If you reduce it to 828, the cars will be underpowered (I assume you will also reduce the performance file bhp to 828?).
You should only reduce the max bhp in one place, either the torque curve or the perf file. Not both.
Thank you for the tip! My performance file bhp for 2013 were set to 828, so i should keep it this way.
The max bhp (855) in the torque curve, at what revs shall they be reached (current rev-limit of 15000 U/min or at 16500 U/min like the original)?
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I think Max BHP should be at Max RPM (that's the way it is in the original game, and from a bit of research it seems correct). So in the case of 2014:
855 bhp @ 15000rpm = 299 lb-ft
My latest effort:
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/26/2016 01:57AM by TomMK.
855 bhp @ 15000rpm = 299 lb-ft
My latest effort:
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/26/2016 01:57AM by TomMK.
On a different topic - 8th gear down the Hangar Straight
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/26/2016 02:00AM by TomMK.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/26/2016 02:00AM by TomMK.
TomMK Wrote:
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> On a different topic - 8th gear down the Hangar
> Straight
Show 1st gear
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> On a different topic - 8th gear down the Hangar
> Straight
Show 1st gear
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Show 1st gear
haha! Yeh, it's obvious what I did - it is just a graphical change.
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TomMK Wrote:
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> > Show 1st gear
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> haha! Yeh, it's obvious what I did - it is just a
> graphical change.
Did you manage to finish the torque values? Maybe posting a beta
i can drive and give my impresions and thoughts.
Check the credits of the tool in the "About menu"
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> > Show 1st gear
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> haha! Yeh, it's obvious what I did - it is just a
> graphical change.
Did you manage to finish the torque values? Maybe posting a beta
i can drive and give my impresions and thoughts.
Check the credits of the tool in the "About menu"
Here's the first version of my 2014 Performance, Physics and Torque values. Download here.
Use GPxPatch to insert the performance and physics files into the game. Use Torque Editor to insert the torque values into GP4.exe, or place the V6Turbo.cap file in your CSM "Patch" folder if you're using CSM.
I will post a CSM mod containing all this stuff in a single package soon.
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Use GPxPatch to insert the performance and physics files into the game. Use Torque Editor to insert the torque values into GP4.exe, or place the V6Turbo.cap file in your CSM "Patch" folder if you're using CSM.
I will post a CSM mod containing all this stuff in a single package soon.
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Thanks Tom, I just tried the whole package and it seems very good so far. It even made me change my 2013 Ferrari sound to make it sound more like a rev-limited V8, but it makes immersion easier.
Have a look : [www.mediafire.com] .rar
And a listen : [www.mediafire.com] .mp3
(Note the new plank scrape sound I made Release soon)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/09/2014 07:48AM by Briere.
Have a look : [www.mediafire.com] .rar
And a listen : [www.mediafire.com] .mp3
(Note the new plank scrape sound I made
Release soon)Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/09/2014 07:48AM by Briere.
Speaking of engines, here is a quick engine config I made to adjust the original game engine sounds down to the 15000rpm max.
This config goes in both Samples\EngineData\Preset1_cockpit\engine.txt and Samples\EngineData\Preset2_OnCar\engine.txt.
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This config goes in both Samples\EngineData\Preset1_cockpit\engine.txt and Samples\EngineData\Preset2_OnCar\engine.txt.
[Engine]
RPMAccel=300
RPMDecel=200
VolumeFade=20
[Sample1A]
High=4000
Low=300
HighFade=5000
LowFade=2000
FreqOffset=6260
VolOffset=0
Mute=1
[Sample2A]
High=7800
Low=0
HighFade=2000
LowFade=2000
FreqOffset=6000
VolOffset=3
Mute=1
[Sample3A]
High=12000
Low=8000
HighFade=3000
LowFade=3000
FreqOffset=10010
VolOffset=0
Mute=1
[Sample4A]
High=16000
Low=0
HighFade=14000
LowFade=3000
FreqOffset=12920
VolOffset=0
Mute=0
[Sample1D]
High=6000
Low=300
HighFade=8000
LowFade=2000
FreqOffset=6300
VolOffset=20
Mute=1
[Sample2D]
High=3000
Low=0
HighFade=3000
LowFade=4000
FreqOffset=8200
VolOffset=0
Mute=1
[Sample3D]
High=18001
Low=12000
HighFade=2000
LowFade=1000
FreqOffset=14130
VolOffset=8
Mute=1
[Sample4D]
High=12000
Low=2700
HighFade=6000
LowFade=2000
FreqOffset=13200
VolOffset=50
Mute=1
[Engine2]
Acc_MasterVolOffSet=0
Acc_AccVolOffSet=0
Acc_DecVolOffSet=4
Acc_Max=14000
Acc_Min=7000
Acc_Att=12
Dec_MasterVolOffSet=0
Dec_AccVolOffSet=0
Dec_DecVolOffSet=4
Dec_Max=14000
Dec_Min=7000
Dec_Att=6
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