Atticus' Workthread - [RE-RELEASED] Updated Road Atlanta (1997) Beta - All Links on p. 1
Posted by Atticus.
Here it comes - Monza Historic, the Temple of Speed as it was meant to be.
As I said, it's like Imola, Monaco and Hockenheim w/no Chicanes in that it uses the original game graphics and I set the historic layout in that graphics.
It's different from Monza 1969 by drt01 & me in that this one uses actual historical data and additional video and photo evidence as to where the original track laid and how best to rebuild it.
My main source of corner data was this engineering image from 1965:
It's not to scale in terms of drawing (e. g. at Curva Grande), but I found that is very much is in terms of corner radius.
I then found this cca. 2012 image from the inside of the current Lesmo 2 and cross-checking it with the 1993 Italian GP footage, the last year of the old Lesmo 2, I found that it is the concrete patch that lined the inside shoulder of the corner back then. This formed the basis of the re-realignment of Lesmo 2.
[i50.tinypic.com]
These are the main changes, but of course, there were numerous little things that I revised during the last two weeks. (And some beforehand: like the realignment of the short chute between Roggia and Lesmo 1; it was parallel to the inside wall, and not listing towards it as it is nowadays. This is also evident by watching the 1993 race carefully.)
As for a track guide of the old Monza, let's resort to the words of Howden Ganley who finished 5th in that world famous slipstream battle of the 1971 Italian GP.
"You only lifted off twice a lap - you went down past the start line and around Curva Grande, flat-out all the way to first Lesmo, and you go down two gears and then it was flat-out all the way back up to the other end at Parabolica."
That's it! It's much more difficult in heavy traffic, of course, and so I encourage you to do just that and go racing.
DOWNLOAD LINK: [www.mediafire.com]
Enjoy it and have fun, guys.
My workthread - [www.grandprixgames.org]
Full of classic F1/non-F1 track layouts
My blog about F1 performance analysis - [thef1formbook.wordpress.com]
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 09/14/2016 02:35PM by Atticus..
As I said, it's like Imola, Monaco and Hockenheim w/no Chicanes in that it uses the original game graphics and I set the historic layout in that graphics.
It's different from Monza 1969 by drt01 & me in that this one uses actual historical data and additional video and photo evidence as to where the original track laid and how best to rebuild it.
My main source of corner data was this engineering image from 1965:
It's not to scale in terms of drawing (e. g. at Curva Grande), but I found that is very much is in terms of corner radius.
I then found this cca. 2012 image from the inside of the current Lesmo 2 and cross-checking it with the 1993 Italian GP footage, the last year of the old Lesmo 2, I found that it is the concrete patch that lined the inside shoulder of the corner back then. This formed the basis of the re-realignment of Lesmo 2.
[i50.tinypic.com]
These are the main changes, but of course, there were numerous little things that I revised during the last two weeks. (And some beforehand: like the realignment of the short chute between Roggia and Lesmo 1; it was parallel to the inside wall, and not listing towards it as it is nowadays. This is also evident by watching the 1993 race carefully.)
As for a track guide of the old Monza, let's resort to the words of Howden Ganley who finished 5th in that world famous slipstream battle of the 1971 Italian GP.
"You only lifted off twice a lap - you went down past the start line and around Curva Grande, flat-out all the way to first Lesmo, and you go down two gears and then it was flat-out all the way back up to the other end at Parabolica."
That's it! It's much more difficult in heavy traffic, of course, and so I encourage you to do just that and go racing.
DOWNLOAD LINK: [www.mediafire.com]
Enjoy it and have fun, guys.
My workthread - [www.grandprixgames.org]
Full of classic F1/non-F1 track layouts
My blog about F1 performance analysis - [thef1formbook.wordpress.com]
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 09/14/2016 02:35PM by Atticus..
my personal historic/modern version of Monza..
-------------- My GP4 Tracks --------------
F1 Tracks , Oval Tracks, Other Tracks
@thestig88: Will check ASAP.
@drt01: Wow, not bad either!
My workthread - [www.grandprixgames.org]
Full of classic F1/non-F1 track layouts
My blog about F1 performance analysis - [thef1formbook.wordpress.com]
@drt01: Wow, not bad either!
My workthread - [www.grandprixgames.org]
Full of classic F1/non-F1 track layouts
My blog about F1 performance analysis - [thef1formbook.wordpress.com]
thank you very much
Yeah drt01 is back! I love your version of Monza! 
Great Atticus ! Thanks for your work !
I had a look into the link showing all the track changes in Suzuka over the years. As a result, I think the track operators/owners of Suzuka are the only ones of all modern F1-circuits trying to protect their circuit. On all other courses over the last 10 or 20 years we saw several reconstructions making it even worse (e.g. Barcelona, Silverstone, Spa, Nürburgring) or destroying the curcuit even completely (e.g. Hockenheim). Of course, I'd also wish old Casio triangle and old 130R back, but in general Suzuka developed quite good over the last years compared to other f1-tracks.
! Thanks for your work !I had a look into the link showing all the track changes in Suzuka over the years. As a result, I think the track operators/owners of Suzuka are the only ones of all modern F1-circuits trying to protect their circuit. On all other courses over the last 10 or 20 years we saw several reconstructions making it even worse (e.g. Barcelona, Silverstone, Spa, Nürburgring) or destroying the curcuit even completely (e.g. Hockenheim). Of course, I'd also wish old Casio triangle and old 130R back, but in general Suzuka developed quite good over the last years compared to other f1-tracks.
klausfeldmann Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Great Atticus! Thanks for your work !
>
> I had a look into the link showing all the track
> changes in Suzuka over the years. As a result, I
> think the track operators/owners of Suzuka are the
> only ones of all modern F1-circuits trying to
> protect their circuit. On all other courses over
> the last 10 or 20 years we saw several
> reconstructions making it even worse (e.g.
> Barcelona, Silverstone, Spa, Nürburgring) or
> destroying the curcuit even completely (e.g.
> Hockenheim). Of course, I'd also wish old Casio
> triangle and old 130R back, but in general Suzuka
> developed quite good over the last years compared
> to other f1-tracks.
Thank you.
I absolutely agree with this, that was exactly my impression as well. There as such nuances in the modified Suzuka corners, radius, camber, both, etc. that very strongly suggest that the owners were keen to preserve as much of the original challenge as possible - which is highly unusual for circuit owners, not only present ones, but previous ones as well, as you rightly pointed out. (Though I would argue a bit about Spa.)
Overall, I can only echo this sentiment and it is great to see such attention from the track owners as to how their circuit should be developed.
Of all the original GP4 circuits I have restored to their original layouts, this is the one where I feel like my work is the most 'pointless'. It isn't, of course, but I can totally see where those who prefer the newer Suzuka layouts are coming from.
My workthread - [www.grandprixgames.org]
Full of classic F1/non-F1 track layouts
My blog about F1 performance analysis - [thef1formbook.wordpress.com]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/17/2016 04:46PM by Atticus..
-------------------------------------------------------
> Great Atticus
! Thanks for your work !>
> I had a look into the link showing all the track
> changes in Suzuka over the years. As a result, I
> think the track operators/owners of Suzuka are the
> only ones of all modern F1-circuits trying to
> protect their circuit. On all other courses over
> the last 10 or 20 years we saw several
> reconstructions making it even worse (e.g.
> Barcelona, Silverstone, Spa, Nürburgring) or
> destroying the curcuit even completely (e.g.
> Hockenheim). Of course, I'd also wish old Casio
> triangle and old 130R back, but in general Suzuka
> developed quite good over the last years compared
> to other f1-tracks.
Thank you.
I absolutely agree with this, that was exactly my impression as well. There as such nuances in the modified Suzuka corners, radius, camber, both, etc. that very strongly suggest that the owners were keen to preserve as much of the original challenge as possible - which is highly unusual for circuit owners, not only present ones, but previous ones as well, as you rightly pointed out. (Though I would argue a bit about Spa.)
Overall, I can only echo this sentiment and it is great to see such attention from the track owners as to how their circuit should be developed.
Of all the original GP4 circuits I have restored to their original layouts, this is the one where I feel like my work is the most 'pointless'. It isn't, of course, but I can totally see where those who prefer the newer Suzuka layouts are coming from.
My workthread - [www.grandprixgames.org]
Full of classic F1/non-F1 track layouts
My blog about F1 performance analysis - [thef1formbook.wordpress.com]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/17/2016 04:46PM by Atticus..
Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.