2012 F1 Car Launch Thread

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Re: 2012 F1 Car Launch Thread
Date: February 06, 2012 08:16PM
Posted by: Anonymous User
What "lumps" was Danm talking about earlier?
Re: 2012 F1 Car Launch Thread
Date: February 06, 2012 08:40PM
Posted by: 3tec
Re: 2012 F1 Car Launch Thread
Date: February 06, 2012 08:46PM
Posted by: J i m
danm Wrote:
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> Benetton were the first to push for that rather
> fugly high nose in the early 90's.
>
> That fat little raised nugget bloater featured in
> their fair share of wins in 1994.
>
> And then it got copied from 1995 by pretty much
> every team.
>
> McLaren are dipping towards the 'non-norm' as
> Benetton did back then.

Not quite so.

The Tyrrell team were first to experiment with the raised nose in 1990.


Benetton still had the low nose in 1990


And followed suit with the raised nose from 1991


Some teams fluctuated between the two philosophies, Tyrrell, Ferrari, Pacific etc. The leadings teams of the era Williams & McLaren didn't follow suit until 1995, some 5 seasons after it first appeared.

I don't believe Mclaren have missed a "trick" either. Their general concept has been different to Red Bull for a while and yet the performance is very close. The other teams are more like Red Bull because in f1 it's rather fashionable to imitate the trends set by Adrian Newy.





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Re: 2012 F1 Car Launch Thread
Date: February 06, 2012 09:13PM
Posted by: Isaint
+1



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Re: 2012 F1 Car Launch Thread
Date: February 06, 2012 09:23PM
Posted by: marcl
Mclaren have always gone their own way and never copied. When the rest were running high noses in 1991, 1992 and 93 they did not.

For years now mclaren have run a lower chassis than the rest, if anything they have a better understanding on what's needed. But has this been what's been holding them back?

Many seem to think Ferrari have got it very wrong with their susspension and will have understeer and will not get load into the tyres.

We will see soon.
Re: 2012 F1 Car Launch Thread
Date: February 06, 2012 09:28PM
Posted by: J i m
Well they may have copied somewhat in 2007.... Fax gate :P

Re: 2012 F1 Car Launch Thread
Date: February 06, 2012 09:36PM
Posted by: rapid_f1
Intrigued to see what Adrian comes out with. That nose doesnt suit the Ferrari, mind you I dont think its suits any car but thats just me. I like to see clean lines.

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Re: 2012 F1 Car Launch Thread
Date: February 06, 2012 09:51PM
Posted by: Isaint
I really want to see what way Mercedes petronas AMG go. I do hope that they have something special up their sleave and I know it's probabaly not realistic but I hope they lean away from the trend more like Mclaren ...... but I know that this wont be so. As has already been said Mclaren has for years developed their overall package individually and have a very good understanding of how to get the best out of their cars. Unfortuneatly Merecedes will probably follow what they see that works ie the 'Newey' brigade, rather than what they can develope individually simply because they havn't as many F1 hours as Mclaren since their imergence back into the sport.



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/07/2012 03:51AM by Isaint.
Re: 2012 F1 Car Launch Thread
Date: February 06, 2012 10:04PM
Posted by: Anonymous User
marcl Wrote:
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When the rest were running high noses in
> 1991, 1992 and 93 they did not.

The "rest" weren't.
Re: 2012 F1 Car Launch Thread
Date: February 06, 2012 10:45PM
Posted by: Incident 2k9
Just incase anyone was interested:

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Re: 2012 F1 Car Launch Thread
Date: February 06, 2012 10:48PM
Posted by: J i m
I do believe that HRT have launched thier car for the 3rd time ;)

Re: 2012 F1 Car Launch Thread
Date: February 06, 2012 10:59PM
Posted by: Ferrari2007
I'm sorry that article said that the 2011 HRT article 'pleased many fans'... really, I thought the general consensus last year was that it was shite




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Re: 2012 F1 Car Launch Thread
Date: February 06, 2012 11:47PM
Posted by: Slash
J i m Wrote:
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> I do believe that HRT have launched thier car for
> the 3rd time ;)


Roflmao!
Re: 2012 F1 Car Launch Thread
Date: February 07, 2012 12:44AM
Posted by: fongu
McLaren have run a lower nose since the regulations changed in 2009 - in fact they lowered their nose a few races into last season. I always wondered how that splitter worked under their nose, and why Williams ended up abandoning it. But anyway, pre-2009, everyone ran very low and fat noses, whereas back in 1998 when the skinny track and grooved tyres were introduced, everyone but McLaren (Newey's car) went for higher noses. The higher nose is meant to increase the venturi effect (which is the compression of air under the chassis, followed by the uncompression stage, known as the diffuser), but it's all to do with how they want to direct the air to the back of the car and to the underside of the car.

Alonso seems to thrive with under-steering cars, remember what his championship Renaults were like - they had a very rear biased weight distribution that meant they had great traction off the line, and the cars seemed to understeer terribly, but they managed to make the tyres last and still go very fast. Not many drivers seem to like that set up, but it didn't help Fisichella who looked terrible as his team-mate. It doesn't bode well for Massa who needs to improve this year. Massa did much better with a Schumacher tuned car which concentrated on a much better front end turn in.

I really think Force India will be very competitive in the early stages of the season, but I guess we'll get more of an idea tomorrow. They seem to have made a big step forward, whereas others are either hiding their innovations very well, or they don't really seem to have moved on much from last year.


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Re: 2012 F1 Car Launch Thread
Date: February 07, 2012 01:25AM
Posted by: Anonymous User
Ferrari2007 Wrote:
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> I'm sorry that article said that the 2011 HRT
> article 'pleased many fans'... really, I thought
> the general consensus last year was that it was
> shite

LOL!
Re: 2012 F1 Car Launch Thread
Date: February 07, 2012 08:47AM
Posted by: vesuvius
yesterdays times (shakedown ) from Jerez

1.Kimi Räikkönen Lotus E20 1:22.504 21
2.Kamui Kobayashi Sauber C31 1:24.407 + 1.903 21



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Re: 2012 F1 Car Launch Thread
Date: February 07, 2012 10:19AM
Posted by: marcl
loque Wrote:
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> marcl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> When the rest were running high noses in
> > 1991, 1992 and 93 they did not.
>
> The "rest" weren't.

Sorry I meant to say Williams that was the fastest car at the time. But yes other things could be taken into account for the Williams speed.
Re: 2012 F1 Car Launch Thread
Date: February 07, 2012 10:20AM
Posted by: danm
what strangely 'thin' mountings on that front wing! :|










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Re: 2012 F1 Car Launch Thread
Date: February 07, 2012 10:21AM
Posted by: marcl
Incident 2k9 Wrote:
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> Just incase anyone was interested:
>
> [www.thef1times.com]
>
> ...but could be white and gold
>
> [f1.imgci.com]

Glad to see Mclaren are not alone in not having the nose step lol.
Re: 2012 F1 Car Launch Thread
Date: February 07, 2012 11:04AM
Posted by: danm
Reports saying Mercedes (2011 car of Rosberg) sounds strange.

Is this to do with 2012 parts?


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