What if Drivers & Constructors Championships were decided by grid positions??

1982 -

1. Prost 87pts
2. Arnoux 84pts
3. Piquet 38pts
4. Pironi 37pts
5. Patrese 34pts
6. Rosberg 24pts
7. De Cesaris 18pts
8. Lauda 18pts
9. Villeneuve 14pts
10. Tambay 12pts
11. Giacomelli 10pts
12. Andretti 9pts
13. Alboreto 8pts
14. Cheever 3pts
15. Winkelhock 2pts
16. Reutemann 1pt
17. Watson 1pt


1. Renault 171pts
2. Ferrari 72pts
3. Brabham 72pts
4. Alfa Romeo 28pts
5. Williams 25pts
6. McLaren 19pts
7. Tyrrell 8pts
8. Ligier 3pts
9. ATS 2pts

1981 -

1. Piquet 63pts
2. Reutemann 62pts
3. Prost 56pts
4. Arnoux 54pts
5. Jones 40pts
6. Villeneuve 25pts
7. Patrese 17pts
8. Laffite 17pts
9. Watson 14pts
10. Pironi 10pts
11. Mansell 6pts
12. De Cesaris 3pts
13. Giacomelli 2pts
14. Rebaque 2pts
15. De Angelis 1pt
16. Andretti 1pt


1. Renault 110pts
2. Williams 102pts
3. Brabham 65pts
4. Ferrari 35pts
5. Arrows 17pts
6. Ligier 17pts
7. McLaren 17pts
8. Lotus 7pts
9. Alfa Romeo 3pts

ipswich2007 Wrote:
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> it's been a while but ive now worked out the
> 1981-2005 titles according to starting positions.
>
>
> 2005 -
> 1. Alonso 122pts
> 2. Raikkonen 94pts
> 3. Trulli 82pts
> 4. Fisichella 74pts
> 5. Button 67pts
> 6. Montoya 62pts
> 7. M Schumacher 50pts
> 8. Webber 47pts
> 9. R Schumacher 33pts
> 10. Heidfeld 26pts
> 11. Sato 24pts
> 12. Barrichello 18pts
> 13. Klien 15pts
> 14. Coulthard 13pts
> 15. Villeneuve 7pts
> 16. Massa 4pts
> 17. Wurz 2pts
> 18. De La Rosa 1pt
>
>
> TEAMS
> 1. Renault 196pts
> 2. McLaren 159pts
> 3. Toyota 115pts
> 4. BAR 91pts
> 5. Williams 73pts
> 6. Ferrari 68pts
> 7. Red Bull 28pts
> 8. Sauber 11pts
>
> Alonso then would have walked the championship,
> showing that it wasnt just reliability that ruined
> mclarens 05 hopes.
>
> I think 2 things are interesting here - 1 Trulli
> in a clear 3rd place, what happened to his race
> pace in 2005 :P
>
> And M Schumacher in 7th & Rubinho in 12th, Ferrari
> 6th . This shows more than the race results i
> think , just how bad a year 05 really was for
> Ferrari compared to 04 & 06.
>
> Next - 2004

actually this does really prove that realiability was the main key for Alonso's title as Kimi suffered 3 grid penalties because of engine change so that mean +30 places without them he would have scored pole in monza,2nd in silverstone and 3rd in magny cours(would most likely taken pole in those two as well without the penalty because he had to fuel for 1stop) so that would have added +24 points for kimi and it would have been much closer

@vesuvius - thank you for calling me on that one, yes im going by starting order, not outright qually pace before grid penalties :P, i totally forgot kimis penalties were for reliability reasons not for driving incidents

So... Senna would be six-time WDC and, since the 2003 WDC would be Barrichello (yay! \o/), he would be tied with Schumacher as the most winnest driver ever, and the debate "Senna-this-Schumacher-that" would be even hotter.

EDIT: Hill'd have won the title in 1995, so Senna would be ahead of Schumacher.

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Um dois três quatro cinco seis sete oito nove dez
Eins zwei drei vier fünf sechs sieben acht neun zehn
One two three four five six seven eight nine ten
Один два три четыре пять шесть семь восемь девять десять



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/23/2010 01:54AM by Lex.

Yep :P something else I noticed is that Lotus would have had two more constructors titles than before I think .

Wow, Senna domination and Rubens double champion, hahaha . This is a very cool idea, I would like to see this + race results. So the quali accounts for 40-50%, while the race for 50-60% of the points.

Guimengo schrieb:
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> Wow, Senna domination and Rubens double champion,
> hahaha . This is a very cool idea, I would like
> to see this + race results. So the quali accounts
> for 40-50%, while the race for 50-60% of the
> points.

Double champion?

wat

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Um dois três quatro cinco seis sete oito nove dez
Eins zwei drei vier fünf sechs sieben acht neun zehn
One two three four five six seven eight nine ten
Один два три четыре пять шесть семь восемь девять десять

I read it twice, nevermind :P

I've been doing the BTC & WTC titles but forgot to update this thread over the past few years.

So here goes - 2010, 11 & 12 by grid positions. Do note however, Grid penalties have effected the start line-ups more than at any time in the sports history. This and wet Q1/2/3 sessions have diluted my efforts of finding the fastest driver each weekend. However as I don't have the data of every drivers fastest laps across a given weekend, and potential laps that were ruined I cannot be completely true here. But I've used qually to give a better idea of pace in a weekend.

2010:

Drivers
1st. Vettel 387pts
2nd. Webber 324pts
3rd. Alonso 235pts
4th. Hamilton 222pts
5th. Button 148pts
6th. Massa 144pts
7th. Kubica 122pts
8th. Rosberg 121pts
9th. Barrichello 58pts
10th. Schumacher 56pts
11th. Hulkenberg 49pts
12th. Sutil 21pts
13th. Liuzzi 12pts
14th. Petrov 11pts
15th. Kobayashi 5pts
16th. De La Rosa 4pts

Teams
1st. Red Bull 711pts
2nd. Ferrari 379pts
3rd. McLaren 370pts
4th. Mercedes 177pts
5th. Renault 133pts
6th. Williams 107pts
7th. Force India 33pts
8th. Sauber 9pts

one note - without reliability RB would have dominated both championships. the teams by nearly 400 points :O

2011:

1st. Vettel 444pts
2nd. Webber 287pts
3rd. Hamilton 270pts
4th. Button 228pts
5th. Alonso 210pts
6th. Massa 162pts
7th. Rosberg 119pts
8th. Schumacher 43pts
9th. Petrov 43pts
10th. Sutil 22pts
11th. Di Resta 16pts
12th. Alguersuari 15pts
13th. Heidfeld 14pts
14th. Kobayashi 13pts
15th. Maldonado 12pts
16th. Senna 10pts
17th. Buemi 5pts
18th. Perez 3pts

Teams
1st. Red Bull 731pts
2nd. McLaren 498pts
3rd. Ferrari 372pts
4th. Mercedes 164pts
5th. Renault 68pts
6th. Force India 38pts
7th. Toro Rosso 20pts
8th. Sauber 16pts
9th. Williams 12pts

very defined gaps between each team, Vettel's gap over Webber is notable.

2012:

Drivers
1st. Hamilton 322pts
2nd. Vettel 295pts
3rd. Webber 223pts
4th. Alonso 205pts
5th. Button 189pts
6th. Raikkonen 130pts
7th. Schumacher 129pts
8th. Grosjean 127pts
9th. Maldonado 119pts
10th. Rosberg 109pts
11th. Massa 76pts
12th. Kobayashi 60pts
13th. Hulkenberg 53pts
14th. Perez 46pts
15th. Di Resta 24pts
16th. Ricciardo 9pts
17th. Senna 3pts
18th. Vergne 0pts (1xP11)
19th. D'Ambrosio 0pts (1xP15)
20th. Kovalainen 0pts (3xP16)
21st. Petrov 0pts (9xP18)
22nd. Glock 0pts (1xP18)
23rd. Pic 0pts (2xP19)
24th. De La Rosa (4xP20)
25th. Karthikeyan (1xP21)

Teams
1st. Red Bull 518pts
2nd. McLaren 511pts
3rd. Ferrari 281pts
4th. Lotus 257pts
5th. Mercedes 240pts
6th. Williams 122pts
7th. Sauber 106pts
8th. Force India 77pts
9th. Toro Rosso 9pts
10th. Caterham 0pts (P16)
11th. Marussia 0pts (P18)
12th. HRT 0pts (P20)

p.s. 2012 i included the non-points scorers to the table just to extend it to all teams.

note - buttons poor form would have cost mclaren, alonso destroyed massa, schumi beat rosberg for the first time. kobayashi was better than perez.