Isaint Wrote:
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> Oh please don't be a child.
You kick off the debate with an insult in your opening remark. Well done, and it clearly demonstrates that if anything, YOU are not the child.
> I'm not going to go into a manuscript with this; I
> have better things to do.
And then proceeds to type up a large volume of text.
> If you have a valid
> point I'll be the first to concede to it
I really doubt this is the case. Let me demonstrate why.
> on the
> other hand my opinion is my opinion, simple as
> that. You don't have enough words in your
> vocabulary to change that.
Another insult, this time to my vocabulary.
> Comparing football with F1 is like comparing a
> mature glass of wine to a flat glass of beer.
So, you reject my assertions, by saying that F1 and Football are not subject to proper analogies...
> In
> any event, if that’s the best you can come up
> with I'll indulge you. If you really think that a
> player is so skilful that he won’t slip on the
> mud or the rain won’t take the spin of the ball
> or he is so precise that he can compensate for the
> change of wind in a mille- second and of course
> none of this affects his game or slows him down
> because of course he is so skilful, yeah okay!?
> Right. And that's why they have these little
> things called 'studs' and guess what? They are
> manufactured to last the whole game not for two
> Free kicks or one penalty ... the whole game.
... and you proceed to give more of those very same flawed analogies?!? I should think you, under pain of hypocrisy, would be barred from doing so!
> Second to that, your little tirade concerning
> Jenson and his 'smooth' driving.... so tired of
> that saying.
Another insult.
> Drivers conserving their tires
> because of skill?
Well we constantly hear drivers talking about it. But I guess you are privy to a conspiracy, between the thousands of employees in the F1 circus, that this is not really the case.
> Well the same drivers including
> Jenson should be able to do that little trick at
> every race and Win! Don't you think?
No. I explained that in the previous post.
> Or maybe it's
> because there are other adverse aspects that they
> cannot control that affect this out come?
Please do read it.
> You talking about how a driver can nurse a tyre
> for ten laps about sums everything up, how sad
> 'Wow he made the tyres last for ten laps then he
> had to pit!' Is that the spectacle of racing that
> you want to defend? Go ahead.....
No, again please do read. I said "10+ extra laps". The difference is small, I know. Just 6 characters and an empty space - but the difference in meaning is vast.
> As for Le Mans no I don’t like it, plus it’s a
> totally different discipline.
Discipline... as in different distribution of required skills?
> As for drivers having to worry about their tyres
> from the beginning of time,
Why do you switch "radial" to "beginning of time"? This is an rhetorical trick, that gives you a significant advantage. You do not argue the point, you argue the point you think you can defeat.
> you know well that
> that kind of tyre preservation cannot compare to
> the fall-off that these purpose built tires give
> now.
See above.
> And what’s all this crap about the best driver
> in the world. F1 represents just that, the
> 'Pinnacle of motor sport' an all that. I really
> don’t care about rallying or Nascar or any of
> that otherwise I'd be watching it ..... I’m
> watching formula1, if there is some guy out there
> in the Outer Hebrides that is quicker than Senna
> ever was who cares .... Is he sitting in an F1 car
> now? No, so the point is mute.
Pinnacle of Motor Sport does not mean the best driver in the world. Again you change the phrasing, so you don't have to argue against the actual point, but you can argue against the point of your choosing.
> Finally cos’ I’m getting bored now. I don’t
> remember at any point saying there were different
> regs for different drivers? I simply think that
> regs we have now were thought up by John todts
> grandchild.
Your memory does not serve you well.
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Isaint
The Regs are not the same for every driver.
> They prevent us seeing a race from start to finish
> without ‘imposed’ incident. I would like to
> see the tyre life of old and the outlawing of DRS
> and KERS, if that makes me a pariah that’s too
> bad.
That is fair enough. But if you don't want to be a pariah, then have the strength of conviction just to state your opinion and believe that is good enough. All the stupid and manipulative tricks you pull in your post only goes to show, that you don't really believe that it is okay. Why else would you try to defeat the persona of those you debate (through insults and ridicule) instead of their arguments, and why else would you twist their words, as you do? It makes the following statement from you very flimsy indeed:
> If you have a valid point I'll be the first to concede to it
... especially when you in such a volume of text actually manage to ignore most of the proposed points. It seems to me, that you are so bent on preaching, that you have totally forgotten, that maybe it is you that needs to learn something new.
It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/11/2012 02:38PM by Morbid.