Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2014 ***SPOILERS***

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marcl
Lewis said he wishes everyone could see the information he has, would love to know what he means.

Likewise Toto, Niki and indirectly the FIA stewards have said the same - the data suggests Nico didn't do anything wrong other than push a bit hard to make up for his mistake at Casino.

Who to trust? The top 2 guys in his team, his teammate and the governing body, or the guy who apparently alienates the very guys trying to help him?

As I've said, Hamilton could have taken the high ground and come out and said he'd put his teammate under pressure and on put him on the back foot, said that he was disappointed he didn't have a final shot at the pole, that it was a shame his first lap wasn't better, but once more, in true Hamilton style, he's managed to @#$%& this up completely, put all of the pressure on himself, and let Nico off the hook. Short of publicly calling his team cheats or ramming Nico off at turn 1, I'm not sure he could have handled much worse.

He desperately needs a boring, conventional result in Montreal (even if it means coming a close 2nd) to turn the focus away from him and let the situation settle.

If him manages to lose this title his reputation will be in tatters.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/26/2014 09:06PM by gav.

we have seenit many times in the past. one example that comes to mind is DC at melbourne 2000. what about the red flag which robbed prost of a clear victory in estoril 1990. there are numerous examples. no one has ever tried to modify rules whatsoever.

thefact is that hamilton was not fast nough in the first shot at pole. also, he got out of the pit AFTER rosberg, which means that hamilton would have had a better grip on the track, but also higher risk of yellow/red flags.

he is such a crybaby. instead of accusing others, he better find an excuse of what he did in spain

It's going to be interesting to see if lewis keeps his head or not now. But the damage has been done by the way he carried on.

As you say he should have just said I've seen the data nothing wrong end of, but he took his bad mood all the way to the race and after it.

I don't like the pit stop thing though, it should also be up to the driver not just the team. Had it not worked lewis still had enough gap to finish 2nd. It's not really right they gave nico the chance to pass him in Spain and Bahrain by putting him on different tyres and not give lewis the chance on strategy.

Mita, don't you mean Melbourne 98? And it was far from clear whether Prost could've won at Estoril. I see what you're getting at though.

So much riding on Montreal now. The fact it's always traditionally been Lewis's strongest track just adds to that, as does the fact it's followed by Austria which is an unknown, and then the rest of the European season.

This is set up brilliantly now.

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@ec83,

no man, i meant melbourne 2000.

there you go:

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as for prost in estoril, i agree that it was not the best of examples, but considering his temmate was out of the chapionship it was sure he would have let him thorugh. anyway. just saw a funny comment on youtube by a fanboy:

"iPhonePROпреди 14 часа

Lewis has full rights to be upset. Rosberg is a cheat. Merc manipulated Lewis's engine so he couldn't overtake- After the tunnel you see Rosberg pull away with Kers Lewis never had."

hahahaa

I'd forgotten about that quali sesh, but now I remember the DC crash well - I even watched it at the time. Different circumstances of course, but yeah, there are parallels.

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To be honest nico was faster all weekend, his car looked so much better than lewis car.

About quali, lewis near enough always counts on his 2nd lap as he did this time. Maybe now he will go for it on the first run.

There is also no way merc can affect the engine in the race, there is no pits to car etc.

Nico was also in fuel saving mode and lewis could not get close enough.

He had two chances, the start and pits.

gav Wrote:
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> Short of publicly
> calling his team cheats or ramming Nico off at
> turn 1, I'm not sure he could have handled much
> worse.

Like Alonso did to McLaren in 2007 that led to the 100$ mill fine? Or like he did to Renault in the 2006 season?

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Fernando Alonso has sensationally accused Renault of sabotaging his title campaign by making intentional errors during the Chinese Grand Prix. Alonso lost the lead in both Sunday's Shanghai race and the Drivers' Championship after Renault put the wrong tyres on his car during his first pit-stop and then compounded the error by bungling his second stop. And according to the Spaniard, the mistakes happened because Renault don't want him to retain the world title as he's leaving for McLaren at the end of this season. "They wanted us to finish second and third because they do not want me to take the number 'one' to a different team," he told Spanish newspaper AS. "They are not helping me as much as they could." The 25-year-old went on to claim that Renault are now only interested in the outcome of the Constructors' race. "Some [at Renault] are happy because we went past Ferrari in the team battle," he said. With two races to go, Renault have a one-point lead over Ferrari in the Constructors' Championship, while Alonso is second in the Drivers' standings because even though he has the same number of points as Michael Schumacher, the Ferrari driver has won more races this year.

Some people have very short memories.

mitadumapaga Wrote:
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> he is such a crybaby. instead of accusing others,
> he better find an excuse of what he did in spain

Which was the same thing Rosberg did in Bahrain.

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/27/2014 01:43PM by Morbid.

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Some people have very short memories.

My memory is bad, but thankfully not that poor.

Well my intention was not to poke fun of your memory, but to set the current debate into perspective. What Lewis did is not even in the same league as the stuff Fernando has done, yet an outburst like that from him would not be taken in this way. Vettel doing his thing isn't either although he really behaves like a proper baby. The things he did in pre-season testing was unbelievable.

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It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.

But, when comparing anything Fernando did to anything Hamilton did, you have to take two things into account:

1) Hamilton is a no-talent, whiny, stuck-up brat.

2) Fernando is not.

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If you think that Hamilton has no talent, then you are delusional. That man @#$%& talent more often than you change your underwear. That you don't like his personality doesn't change that. In his rookie season he tied Alonso for points and beat in him in the standings in equal machinery. That says all you need to know, especially when Fernando is your preferred choice of comparison. But if you still doubt it, he is giving Rosberg a good fight for his money with no preferential treatment as a newcomer to the team, and Rosberg trounced Schumacher in his declining days. If Hamilton has no talent, then by extension of logic, Rosberg and Fernando must have even less.

Really it is a ludicrous statement you gave. You are talking about a world champion, a rookie season runner up, with 26 wins, 59 podiums, 1,210 points, 35 pole positions and 14 fastest laps. If you think all that can be done with no talent, then why do you even bother turning on the TV on a Sunday?

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Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 05/28/2014 02:41AM by Morbid.

Wow......I think you read far too much into my statement.

Obviously, to even make it into F1, he has to be a talented driver.

My post was, really, a joke.
(I still don't like him though.)

As for why I would turn the TV on on a Sunday, if I thought his achievements did not take talent....well that is to watch the best motor-sport competition there is, and to watch the drivers I do like; Alonso, Massa, Raikkonen, Ricciardo, Sutil, Kobayashi, Rosberg and Hulkenberg among them.

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AUS_Doug Wrote:
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> Wow......I think you read far too much into my
> statement.

Reading the literal sense of what you wrote, without any emoticons or indicators of sarcasm or irony, is "reading too much" into your statement?!?

And for the record, Fernando is a whiny little bitch too. As I posted earlier, he openly accused his team of sabotaging his campaign in 2007. You know the team that made him two times world champion in row. As far as I know, Hamilton has yet to go that far.

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As my sister would say lewis Hamilton is < 33333 hart hart !!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/29/2014 06:53AM by TFIOS.

Button's take on the situation:

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"This has really helped Nico's championship, breaking Lewis's run of wins," explained Button after the Monaco Grand Prix. "Is Lewis strong enough to come back? I really do think he is. "You will see a more determined Lewis at the next race. It is a circuit he loves. "I remember with Lewis when we had a tussle in a race, or there was an issue between us or with the team and Lewis, he would have a really bad race and be quite outspoken and emotional about it. "But then the next race he would destroy me. He would come back stronger than ever. "So the mind games people play on him will not work."

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Apologies if I'm flogging a dead horse here - some of this thread has been pretty horrible to read so maybe I'm repeating what's already been said.

Regarding Rosberg's qualifying incident, it was all rather odd. I think the footage 45 seconds into this clip with Coulthard's commentary is worth a watch:



As out of character and unsure as it seemed, I really think it was a deliberate mistake. I don't know if Rosberg was going faster or slower on that final lap, so I've no idea whether it was pre-meditated or a spur of the moment decision, or perhaps mixture of both.

Not enough evidence for the stewards or anyone else to say that for sure though, so naturally his team will support him. I don't see anything wrong with that.

An astonishing lack of class from Rosberg and Hamilton though. It wouldn't have taken much for Rosberg to say something to his teammate after the unfortunate circumstances of his pole, so I'm not just going to blame Hamilton's childishness for the friction between them.

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I really cant make it clear from that video, he could have been going too fast and braking late or started braking when he passed through a bump then block or whatever...

Only Rosberg knows if he did it deliberately or not, but official telemetry didnt say anything about that and the stedwards didnt see anything else than a mistake (and they acted with Alonso in hungary 2007 and MS in 2006) so i´d take the benefit of the doubt. Anyway i dont think Lewis wanted to hear what Nico had to say to him just after qualy

Still, Hamilton has to stop believing he is the new Senna because he´s forgetting that he is Lewis Hamilton and not Ayrton Senna. He played it bad last week with his childish behauviour. if he does not stop seeing ghosts where there isnt any, most of the team might start to spend most of their time in Nico´s side of the pitbox and that would not be good for him (even comparing with Senna, Ayrton managed the whole thing to get all the team around him and leave Prost as the bad guy).

at the end, Lauda said it the other day, to be world champion means you have to be a b*stard in some way (or being a nice guy like Button who had and even nicer guy in Barrichello as a teammate and both driving a nearly unbeatable car )





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The interview with Lewis the other day was funny. He made it very clear him and Nico are not friends and have not been since the age of 13, they say hi and work together but do not and have not hung out together and does not know why people thought they were best friends.

He also said the Senna comments have been taken out of context and he meant it as a joke.

Sounds like he has got over the weekend now and knows he @#$%& up.

That video. I still do not understand the wheel movement, they said be broke 3 car lengths later so why the wiggle way before the zone? You can also see in that video he did not even try and make the corner. I still dont think Nico was 100% correct in what he done and as people have said only he knows.

I dont think he started the lap thinking he would park the car, but he knew all to well that he was down on the lap so that lap was gone anyway so if he did cause a yellow it did not bother him.



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marcl Wrote:
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> The interview with Lewis the other day was funny.
> He made it very clear him and Nico are not friends
> and have not been since the age of 13, they say hi
> and work together but do not and have not hung out
> together and does not know why people thought they
> were best friends.
>

And yet a couple of hours ago he tweets this, "We've been friends a long time & as friends we have our ups & downs. Today we spoke & we're cool, still friends #noproblem" he needs to make his mind up, clearly Mercedes PR have got involved.