F1′s Missing Heroines
Posted by Ferrari2007
mortal Wrote:
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> blah-blah-blah...
I rest my case.
Whoa. Well said, Mal
First of all, excuse me, but I am not english, so it's little bit hard to me to compare this article with any other. I talked about the topic of this article in my 1st post. But yet I read Dan's writings, and I found it quite interesting indeed. Most notable and interesting to me there is someone with name of Zoe Wenham. Look, she mentioned what the "lack of female role models in the sport is the biggest barrier" for females. Really? What a quack? Come on, it sounds such insignificant and tiny imao. Since when F1 drivers needs for any 'role model'? What for you need 'role model'? Who was Senna's 'role model'? Why just the story of man's success cant be 'role model' for females? Isn't it enough just the desire to fight, desire to win? Natural ambitions? 'Biggest barrier'...huh. And when Zoe Wenham talks about: ''If a female gets the chance to be in Formula 1 then they’ll know how to target their training''. Sigh, it's just another wrong pullshit again. Where is her goddamned logic? At first you need to be trained, and then you got a chance to be in F1 and not the opposite. Her sentence looks like if man would said - 'oh if I had a chance to met a beautiful girl who could love me at first sight, so then I would know how to target my training". Gosh, just start to train yourself and stop bitching and the everything will be fine, but now your excuses sounds so weak. And notwithstanding with Dan's article I still wanna say something:
Giovanna Amati is clearly not the poor girl who just had bad promotion. She was unsuccessful in any racing category not only in F1. Just too slow. And Lombardi received her half-score for 6th and LAST place as she was the last of those who was at the time on the track (any others just retired or had damage). She too wasn't any kind of the great drivers. She won Mexican Formula Ford championship where she competed with amateur gringos. Her next best achievement is 5th place in 1974 Formula 5000 Europe championship. So it says her racing ability level was approximately the same as Bob Evans, Richard Robarts or Vernon Schuppan and other dimmed drivers like that. Nothing more than this. Next is Susie Wolff who got 4 points after 7 full seasons in DTM. Gosh... pretty talented indeed to be not racing test-driver in her own husband's team. I even not speak about Maria De Vilotta who crashed at the straight-line speed test session (don't get me wrong it is very tragic and not funny and maybe it could even happen with anyone else. But still it happened with her). And I not talking about Sarah Fisher, Milka Duno, Simona de Silvestro, Ana Beatriz Figuereido, Pippa Mann, Katherine Legge and other indycar frying-pan-drivers... So Sir Stirling Moss knows what he talking about. Motorsport has existed for over a hundred years. And only 0,0000....00001% of women ever to come at the start of the different races were any successful. Shirley Muldowney, Michèle Mouton, Jutta Kleinschmidt, Danica Patrick, Keeley Grant
and some few others, versus 99,9... percents of successful male drivers. So this is fact if you want to talk about facts. And isn't it shows the reason why there is no girls in F1? Or you think that the main problem of females is me? Or either the people who 'believe a woman's place is in front of the sink... blah-blah-blah'? I am not sexist. There is nothing linked with sexism. Or you think that 'Olympic Games' should be renamed to 'Sexist Games'? Where you seen in Olympics the sport category where males and females are competing together on the same venue? Figure skating? I love females but all I said is not my imagination, you know, I said about chess - so among more than 1300 chess grandmasters there only 27 are female. Maybe they also have problems with role models or bad promotion or whatever else I dont know. But this is real fact.
P.S. And you are clearly must be kidding me if you are still think that Vicky Piria is any talented after you watched her career summary there [en.wikipedia.org]
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> blah-blah-blah...
I rest my case.
Whoa. Well said, Mal
First of all, excuse me, but I am not english, so it's little bit hard to me to compare this article with any other. I talked about the topic of this article in my 1st post. But yet I read Dan's writings, and I found it quite interesting indeed. Most notable and interesting to me there is someone with name of Zoe Wenham. Look, she mentioned what the "lack of female role models in the sport is the biggest barrier" for females. Really? What a quack? Come on, it sounds such insignificant and tiny imao. Since when F1 drivers needs for any 'role model'? What for you need 'role model'? Who was Senna's 'role model'? Why just the story of man's success cant be 'role model' for females? Isn't it enough just the desire to fight, desire to win? Natural ambitions? 'Biggest barrier'...huh. And when Zoe Wenham talks about: ''If a female gets the chance to be in Formula 1 then they’ll know how to target their training''. Sigh, it's just another wrong pullshit again. Where is her goddamned logic? At first you need to be trained, and then you got a chance to be in F1 and not the opposite. Her sentence looks like if man would said - 'oh if I had a chance to met a beautiful girl who could love me at first sight, so then I would know how to target my training". Gosh, just start to train yourself and stop bitching and the everything will be fine, but now your excuses sounds so weak. And notwithstanding with Dan's article I still wanna say something:
Giovanna Amati is clearly not the poor girl who just had bad promotion. She was unsuccessful in any racing category not only in F1. Just too slow. And Lombardi received her half-score for 6th and LAST place as she was the last of those who was at the time on the track (any others just retired or had damage). She too wasn't any kind of the great drivers. She won Mexican Formula Ford championship where she competed with amateur gringos. Her next best achievement is 5th place in 1974 Formula 5000 Europe championship. So it says her racing ability level was approximately the same as Bob Evans, Richard Robarts or Vernon Schuppan and other dimmed drivers like that. Nothing more than this. Next is Susie Wolff who got 4 points after 7 full seasons in DTM. Gosh... pretty talented indeed to be not racing test-driver in her own husband's team. I even not speak about Maria De Vilotta who crashed at the straight-line speed test session (don't get me wrong it is very tragic and not funny and maybe it could even happen with anyone else. But still it happened with her). And I not talking about Sarah Fisher, Milka Duno, Simona de Silvestro, Ana Beatriz Figuereido, Pippa Mann, Katherine Legge and other indycar frying-pan-drivers... So Sir Stirling Moss knows what he talking about. Motorsport has existed for over a hundred years. And only 0,0000....00001% of women ever to come at the start of the different races were any successful. Shirley Muldowney, Michèle Mouton, Jutta Kleinschmidt, Danica Patrick, Keeley Grant
and some few others, versus 99,9... percents of successful male drivers. So this is fact if you want to talk about facts. And isn't it shows the reason why there is no girls in F1? Or you think that the main problem of females is me? Or either the people who 'believe a woman's place is in front of the sink... blah-blah-blah'? I am not sexist. There is nothing linked with sexism. Or you think that 'Olympic Games' should be renamed to 'Sexist Games'? Where you seen in Olympics the sport category where males and females are competing together on the same venue? Figure skating? I love females but all I said is not my imagination, you know, I said about chess - so among more than 1300 chess grandmasters there only 27 are female. Maybe they also have problems with role models or bad promotion or whatever else I dont know. But this is real fact.P.S. And you are clearly must be kidding me if you are still think that Vicky Piria is any talented after you watched her career summary there [en.wikipedia.org]
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> While you search for that, I'll present a layman's
> article, that is built on research, written by a
> woman, that contradicts you:
>
> [science.howstuffworks.com]
> y/men-vs-women-upper-body-strength.htm
Well, it doesn't actually contradict me because I never wrote it ...... it was from an article which Like I said, I will find .... I also stated
that I lent more to your observations but 'hey-ho' ...... like I said I will find the article ..............
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> While you search for that, I'll present a layman's
> article, that is built on research, written by a
> woman, that contradicts you:
>
> [science.howstuffworks.com]
> y/men-vs-women-upper-body-strength.htm
Well, it doesn't actually contradict me because I never wrote it ...... it was from an article which Like I said, I will find .... I also stated
that I lent more to your observations but 'hey-ho' ...... like I said I will find the article ..............
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mortal Wrote:
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> I do not see where you addressed my point that you
> made the statement that women belong in front of
> the sink?
Come on... You have some problem with the sinks? This is your personal obsession? Or what you want from me by asking this question repeatedly? If you accuse me of sexism - oh, you are free to think of all that you take into your head. Okay I'm ready to bring my official apologies to all the thousandths of females who might be offended by my extremely aggressive and hugely provocative post:
'Dear women, from this moment you are no more chained to your kitchen sinks. And you are all free to go in bed, or to mess about the gardening, or to chat with your friends on the phone, or to purchase of cosmetics, or whatever else you basically want to do'
But since this topic is definitely not about sinks I hope this is my last post about it there.
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> I do not see where you addressed my point that you
> made the statement that women belong in front of
> the sink?
Come on... You have some problem with the sinks? This is your personal obsession? Or what you want from me by asking this question repeatedly? If you accuse me of sexism - oh, you are free to think of all that you take into your head. Okay I'm ready to bring my official apologies to all the thousandths of females who might be offended by my extremely aggressive and hugely provocative post:
'Dear women, from this moment you are no more chained to your kitchen sinks. And you are all free to go in bed, or to mess about the gardening, or to chat with your friends on the phone, or to purchase of cosmetics, or whatever else you basically want to do'
But since this topic is definitely not about sinks I hope this is my last post about it there.
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Dahie Wrote:
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> ...The same statistics explain why smaller countries
> have generally smaller chances of winning in the
> olympices, because they simple find less extreme
> athletes in a small population.
Sounds legit. But still Netherlands plays football much better then China, India, USA, Indonesia, Pakistan or Russia, even if there lives much less people. Anyway I think you are a bit confuse the cause and the effect. The main cause there is that females is not comparable with men in terms of sports results. Look there [en.wikipedia.org] or there [en.wikipedia.org] and etc men's records is just better than women. So this is the reason. And autosports is just the same. For sure in Rally there's not so high G-Force values, even in oval-turn-to-left-racing is way much simpler than the classical open-wheelers championships, so we got there some notable females as Danica or mrs Mouton. But F1 is more complex, so thats why there's no successful girls in sport. And only this is what causes a consequence that girls don't go in the race sports. Not vice versa. If girls were successful in open wheelers, then there would be a lot of them. But since they're not - so they not go ahead into it. It is nature. And it is simple
PS And once more about the lack of female role models in the sport as the biggest barrier for femmes. This subterfuge still makes tiny sence to me. You know it is like if people would think - 'Oh, the biggest barrier for me to be happy is the fact that people cant fly as the birds'. Meh, cmon you need just to deal with it. People cant fly, girls cant drive - so why do the hell on Earth we gonna whining about this facts of life? It sounds as weak as to say: 'Oh, my voice range is not over 4 octaves as Yma Sumac's or Maria Callas', so that's why I just cant sing'. No!!! You can sing with one or two octaves as brilliant as it could be - so just stop bitching about it and start to do something. Bloody hell
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> ...The same statistics explain why smaller countries
> have generally smaller chances of winning in the
> olympices, because they simple find less extreme
> athletes in a small population.
Sounds legit. But still Netherlands plays football much better then China, India, USA, Indonesia, Pakistan or Russia, even if there lives much less people. Anyway I think you are a bit confuse the cause and the effect. The main cause there is that females is not comparable with men in terms of sports results. Look there [en.wikipedia.org] or there [en.wikipedia.org] and etc men's records is just better than women. So this is the reason. And autosports is just the same. For sure in Rally there's not so high G-Force values, even in oval-turn-to-left-racing is way much simpler than the classical open-wheelers championships, so we got there some notable females as Danica or mrs Mouton. But F1 is more complex, so thats why there's no successful girls in sport. And only this is what causes a consequence that girls don't go in the race sports. Not vice versa. If girls were successful in open wheelers, then there would be a lot of them. But since they're not - so they not go ahead into it. It is nature. And it is simple
PS And once more about the lack of female role models in the sport as the biggest barrier for femmes. This subterfuge still makes tiny sence to me. You know it is like if people would think - 'Oh, the biggest barrier for me to be happy is the fact that people cant fly as the birds'. Meh, cmon you need just to deal with it. People cant fly, girls cant drive - so why do the hell on Earth we gonna whining about this facts of life? It sounds as weak as to say: 'Oh, my voice range is not over 4 octaves as Yma Sumac's or Maria Callas', so that's why I just cant sing'. No!!! You can sing with one or two octaves as brilliant as it could be - so just stop bitching about it and start to do something. Bloody hell
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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 07/02/2013 11:24AM by Soutsen.
Soutsen schrieb:
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> Dahie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> Sounds legit. But still Netherlands plays football
> much better then China, India, USA, Indonesia,
> Pakistan or Russia, even if there lives much less
> people.
Experience improves training. Netherlands has a long football tradition and a different acceptance among the people.
> Anyway I think you are a bit confuse the
> cause and the effect. The main cause there is that
> females is not comparable with men in terms of
> sports results. Look there
> [en.wikipedia.org]
> _in_athletics or there
> [en.wikipedia.org]
> _in_swimming and etc men's records is just better
> than women. So this is the reason. And autosports
> is just the same.
This I'm not sure. Since motorsports is a sport where both sexes compete at the same event and since there are way less female drivers than male drivers I would not dare to say "all female drivers are slower". Those who are in the sports may be, but here we are discussing the bell curve again. With the same sample size we could tell, if the curves are different and males do indeed have more extreme talents. Right now I'd say we do not know and discussing it is subjective judgment.
> For sure in Rally there's not so
> high G-Force values, even in
> oval-turn-to-left-racing is way much simpler than
> the classical open-wheelers championships, so we
> got there some notable females as Danica or mrs
> Mouton. But F1 is more complex, so thats why
> there's no successful girls in sport. And only
> this is what causes a consequence that girls don't
> go in the race sports. Not vice versa. If girls
> were successful in open wheelers, then there would
> be a lot of them. But since they're not - so they
> not go ahead into it. It is nature. And it is
> simple
I see the smile and yet…
You're not giving enough credit and nature is not the driving factor here.
This is very rude and sexist statement and a good moment to stop discussing.
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> Dahie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> Sounds legit. But still Netherlands plays football
> much better then China, India, USA, Indonesia,
> Pakistan or Russia, even if there lives much less
> people.
Experience improves training. Netherlands has a long football tradition and a different acceptance among the people.
> Anyway I think you are a bit confuse the
> cause and the effect. The main cause there is that
> females is not comparable with men in terms of
> sports results. Look there
> [en.wikipedia.org]
> _in_athletics or there
> [en.wikipedia.org]
> _in_swimming and etc men's records is just better
> than women. So this is the reason. And autosports
> is just the same.
This I'm not sure. Since motorsports is a sport where both sexes compete at the same event and since there are way less female drivers than male drivers I would not dare to say "all female drivers are slower". Those who are in the sports may be, but here we are discussing the bell curve again. With the same sample size we could tell, if the curves are different and males do indeed have more extreme talents. Right now I'd say we do not know and discussing it is subjective judgment.
> For sure in Rally there's not so
> high G-Force values, even in
> oval-turn-to-left-racing is way much simpler than
> the classical open-wheelers championships, so we
> got there some notable females as Danica or mrs
> Mouton. But F1 is more complex, so thats why
> there's no successful girls in sport. And only
> this is what causes a consequence that girls don't
> go in the race sports. Not vice versa. If girls
> were successful in open wheelers, then there would
> be a lot of them. But since they're not - so they
> not go ahead into it. It is nature. And it is
> simple
I see the smile and yet…
You're not giving enough credit and nature is not the driving factor here.
This is very rude and sexist statement and a good moment to stop discussing.
Website | Blog | Twitter | CTDP: Site Blog Twitter
Dahie Wrote:
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> This I'm not sure. Since motorsports is a sport
> where both sexes compete at the same event and
> since there are way less female drivers than male
> drivers I would not dare to say "all female
> drivers are slower". Those who are in the sports
> may be, but here we are discussing the bell curve
> again. With the same sample size we could tell, if
> the curves are different and males do indeed have
> more extreme talents. Right now I'd say we do not
> know and discussing it is subjective judgment.
>
> You're not giving enough credit and nature is not
> the driving factor here.
> This is very rude and sexist statement and a good
> moment to stop discussing.
Your right. Maybe I am really ignorant sexist, and probably I crossed the line with these insults. But still I cant get one thing. I just don't understand. Look - there are men and there are women. In every sports disciplines and at the same venues women's results on the average, poorer than men, and yet, when it comes to racing - you say that you just not sure. How it can be? What changed from girls and a men being compete in swimming or athletics or football or anything else or in Motorsport? Just imagine football match between the average female and male teams - you think they would play at the same level? I don't know how to prove my point of view more clearly if you agree with fact that every single female (even best of them) records is worse than male's. But yet you are somehow believe that in Motorsport girls just only suffer from sexist problems. I'm just amazed. Honestly. So I really give up. And sorry for being a little bit assertive there. I am tired of this. If I can't convince people in my correctness - I am wrong. Let it be. Peace
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/02/2013 03:07PM by Soutsen.
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> This I'm not sure. Since motorsports is a sport
> where both sexes compete at the same event and
> since there are way less female drivers than male
> drivers I would not dare to say "all female
> drivers are slower". Those who are in the sports
> may be, but here we are discussing the bell curve
> again. With the same sample size we could tell, if
> the curves are different and males do indeed have
> more extreme talents. Right now I'd say we do not
> know and discussing it is subjective judgment.
>
> You're not giving enough credit and nature is not
> the driving factor here.
> This is very rude and sexist statement and a good
> moment to stop discussing.
Your right. Maybe I am really ignorant sexist, and probably I crossed the line with these insults. But still I cant get one thing. I just don't understand. Look - there are men and there are women. In every sports disciplines and at the same venues women's results on the average, poorer than men, and yet, when it comes to racing - you say that you just not sure. How it can be? What changed from girls and a men being compete in swimming or athletics or football or anything else or in Motorsport? Just imagine football match between the average female and male teams - you think they would play at the same level? I don't know how to prove my point of view more clearly if you agree with fact that every single female (even best of them) records is worse than male's. But yet you are somehow believe that in Motorsport girls just only suffer from sexist problems. I'm just amazed. Honestly. So I really give up. And sorry for being a little bit assertive there. I am tired of this. If I can't convince people in my correctness - I am wrong. Let it be. Peace
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/02/2013 03:07PM by Soutsen.
Morbid Wrote:
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> n00binio Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Morbid schrieb:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > While you search for that, I'll present a
> > layman's
> > > article, that is built on research, written
> by
> > a
> > > woman, that contradicts you:
> > >
> > >
> >
> [science.howstuffworks.com]
>
> >
> > > y/men-vs-women-upper-body-strength.htm
> >
> > just one tiny remark: what this article
> mentions
> > is - as far as i understood - absolute strength
> > and not strenght normalized by body weight
> which
> > would be the more relevant case for things like
> > race driving. i guess it will only change the
> > numbers by a factor of about 1.5 so the point
> > still stands
>
> If you look at untrained individuals, then yeah
> 1.5 would be a good rule of thumb. But if you are
> looking at people that have done extensive
> training for years, and that is what we are
> talking about, you are closer to the 2:1 ratio
> (depending on exercise chosen).
>
> Isaint Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Morbid Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > While you search for that, I'll present a
> > layman's
> > > article, that is built on research, written
> by
> > a
> > > woman, that contradicts you:
> > >
> > >
> >
> [science.howstuffworks.com]
>
> >
> > > y/men-vs-women-upper-body-strength.htm
> >
> >
> > Well, it doesn't actually contradict me because
> I
> > never wrote it ...... it was from an article
> which
> > Like I said, I will find .... I also stated
> > that I lent more to your observations but
> 'hey-ho'
> > ...... like I said I will find the article
> > ..............
>
>
> We all have our knowledge and opinions from
> somewhere, so from that logic, none of us never
> mean anything. Yet that isn't true. The important
> thing to look at here, is that if you subscribe to
> something, then it is yours. As the proponent, you
> are forwarding it and own it.
That would be true in a face to face debate, when citing or supporting the views or factual revelations of others. On the other hand posting or referring to any intellectual property publicly and claiming it as your own ...? Why Morbid, you and I both know that under the Copyright law enactment of 1790 that would be down right illegal not to mention plagiaristic. Opinion wise, I have not subscribed to anything written in the article on the contrary I have from the beginning stated that I agreed more with your findings having spent most of my adult life in gyms and all sorts of circuits and training programmes .... where might I add there were some very strong and fit women but biologically all things being equal men always seem to have the upper hand.
Thankfully as I stated earlier, I was merely proposing the view of another in order to expand debate. I myself, don't own anything a part from my own opinion.
Here's the Article ............
[community.feministing.com]
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/02/2013 07:08PM by Isaint.
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> n00binio Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Morbid schrieb:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > While you search for that, I'll present a
> > layman's
> > > article, that is built on research, written
> by
> > a
> > > woman, that contradicts you:
> > >
> > >
> >
> [science.howstuffworks.com]
>
> >
> > > y/men-vs-women-upper-body-strength.htm
> >
> > just one tiny remark: what this article
> mentions
> > is - as far as i understood - absolute strength
> > and not strenght normalized by body weight
> which
> > would be the more relevant case for things like
> > race driving. i guess it will only change the
> > numbers by a factor of about 1.5 so the point
> > still stands
>
> If you look at untrained individuals, then yeah
> 1.5 would be a good rule of thumb. But if you are
> looking at people that have done extensive
> training for years, and that is what we are
> talking about, you are closer to the 2:1 ratio
> (depending on exercise chosen).
>
> Isaint Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Morbid Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > While you search for that, I'll present a
> > layman's
> > > article, that is built on research, written
> by
> > a
> > > woman, that contradicts you:
> > >
> > >
> >
> [science.howstuffworks.com]
>
> >
> > > y/men-vs-women-upper-body-strength.htm
> >
> >
> > Well, it doesn't actually contradict me because
> I
> > never wrote it ...... it was from an article
> which
> > Like I said, I will find .... I also stated
> > that I lent more to your observations but
> 'hey-ho'
> > ...... like I said I will find the article
> > ..............
>
>
> We all have our knowledge and opinions from
> somewhere, so from that logic, none of us never
> mean anything. Yet that isn't true. The important
> thing to look at here, is that if you subscribe to
> something, then it is yours. As the proponent, you
> are forwarding it and own it.
That would be true in a face to face debate, when citing or supporting the views or factual revelations of others. On the other hand posting or referring to any intellectual property publicly and claiming it as your own ...? Why Morbid, you and I both know that under the Copyright law enactment of 1790 that would be down right illegal not to mention plagiaristic. Opinion wise, I have not subscribed to anything written in the article on the contrary I have from the beginning stated that I agreed more with your findings having spent most of my adult life in gyms and all sorts of circuits and training programmes .... where might I add there were some very strong and fit women but biologically all things being equal men always seem to have the upper hand.
Thankfully as I stated earlier, I was merely proposing the view of another in order to expand debate. I myself, don't own anything a part from my own opinion.
Here's the Article ............
[community.feministing.com]
" Perfection is not a gift ....... it comes with practice."
Member of R.S.C.T Group
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/02/2013 07:08PM by Isaint.
Morbid Wrote:
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> An article from feministing.com, that has no
> sources whatsoever, not even in the following
> comment debate, when it is in fact requested from
> the very first comment...??? That should be a dead
> give away, that this is hogwash.
>
> And don't give me the copyright act babble. You
> know what I mean, and it has nothing to do with
> that.
Ah, excuse me. You asked me for my source .......... there it is. The article, where that came from or how it came to be I have no idea niether do I care too much. I came across it and posted it to gather peoples thoughts. I'm sure it has a source some where after all going by your logic we all take information from some where maybe you could look for it if it means tha much to you.
As for the copright, it's not babble it's fact and you like facts don't you ..... as for knowing what you mean? I confess .... I'm must be very shallow because half the time I must admit I have no idea what the hell you are ranting about. All I did was agree with you .... remind me not to buy you a beer because I have no intention of looking for the source of the 'Hops!'
One thing I will say ...... ' Hogwash' Havnen't heard that in a long while, nice touch and you're probably right. There I go agreeing with you again ........ some people never learn.
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> An article from feministing.com, that has no
> sources whatsoever, not even in the following
> comment debate, when it is in fact requested from
> the very first comment...??? That should be a dead
> give away, that this is hogwash.
>
> And don't give me the copyright act babble. You
> know what I mean, and it has nothing to do with
> that.
Ah, excuse me. You asked me for my source .......... there it is. The article, where that came from or how it came to be I have no idea niether do I care too much. I came across it and posted it to gather peoples thoughts. I'm sure it has a source some where after all going by your logic we all take information from some where maybe you could look for it if it means tha much to you.
As for the copright, it's not babble it's fact and you like facts don't you ..... as for knowing what you mean? I confess .... I'm must be very shallow because half the time I must admit I have no idea what the hell you are ranting about. All I did was agree with you .... remind me not to buy you a beer because I have no intention of looking for the source of the 'Hops!'
One thing I will say ...... ' Hogwash' Havnen't heard that in a long while, nice touch and you're probably right. There I go agreeing with you again ........ some people never learn.
" Perfection is not a gift ....... it comes with practice."
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Morbid I understand what your're saying and as I stated from the 'Off' I don't agree with it. Of course it is bildge but not every one is a child. People can make their own minds up about what they agree with and what they don't agree with otherwise we would still be running around frightened that we will fall off the edge of the planet because we still believe it to be flat.
Also I don't hold with the idea that anything that is not backed up by science is in effect untrue or non existant because we all know science is not exact and has never been.
The reason why I don't think that this article holds water is because of evidence. There is no evidence to support it's content scientific or otherwise. I am not propogating anything malicious, it's an opinion, someone elses view point, bad ideologies only become harmful if you give them credence and in that respect I think we can both agree that we are not. The article was introduced not to inflame but to get a reponse to someone elses view which is exactly what it has done, all be it, only between the two of us.
I don't for one minute think that this persons stance on what is a basic biological fact can alter the truth because I 'choose' not to and my reasons are as explained earlier.
That is it, they said it, we don't agree with it there is nothing more to it.
I certainly won't be promoting this on any of my blogs or web-pages it just seemed poignant at the time because of the initial artical written by Dan. Just another view point no more .... certainly not strange because not everyone is in agreement with everyone else about the things in this world ........ now that would be strange.
" Perfection is not a gift ....... it comes with practice."
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Also I don't hold with the idea that anything that is not backed up by science is in effect untrue or non existant because we all know science is not exact and has never been.
The reason why I don't think that this article holds water is because of evidence. There is no evidence to support it's content scientific or otherwise. I am not propogating anything malicious, it's an opinion, someone elses view point, bad ideologies only become harmful if you give them credence and in that respect I think we can both agree that we are not. The article was introduced not to inflame but to get a reponse to someone elses view which is exactly what it has done, all be it, only between the two of us.
I don't for one minute think that this persons stance on what is a basic biological fact can alter the truth because I 'choose' not to and my reasons are as explained earlier.
That is it, they said it, we don't agree with it there is nothing more to it.
I certainly won't be promoting this on any of my blogs or web-pages it just seemed poignant at the time because of the initial artical written by Dan. Just another view point no more .... certainly not strange because not everyone is in agreement with everyone else about the things in this world ........ now that would be strange.
" Perfection is not a gift ....... it comes with practice."
Member of R.S.C.T Group
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